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Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230 |
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I think it was probably more lust than love.
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Probably in the end but I think in the beginning he did love her.
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I always saw a sort of parallel too between the way Túrin was followed by doom everywhere he went and the way Fate had inmeshed Maeglin in a situation in which each of his decisions created new, negative consequences: his flight to Gondolin ended in his mother's death, his love for Idril gave Morgoth an opening to get Maeglin where he wanted, ect.... I think Maeglin is a true tragic figure and in that prospect I do feel sorry for him.
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I see his paralell with Turin but Turin fought it better and never sold anyone to the enemy.
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I casn't really see him battling his fate. He went to Gondolin, and betrayed Gondoloin, which is in both cases his choice. He loved his mother more... So I don't really understsad nwhat you're saying in 'He was his father's son' (Guess it's my Englsih).
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Well surely that makes him evil then.
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But I still think that he did love her to begin with with bt then as Eol with Aredhel it became more of a lust.
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[QUOTE=Radagast The Brown]For me it seems like he wasn't really evil until the later stages... QUOTE]I think you are right. It is really so sad, because despite of the deaths of his parents I think he could have become happy in Gondolin, if it wasn't for the love/lust he bore for Idril. It was the hopelessness of this love which turned his heart to darkness. Maeglin is such a tragic figure.
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Not all deeds he commited whilst in Gondolin were evil. He was high in Turgon's councils and forged the Seventh and Great Gate.
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IMO, Maeglin did not begin evil, but was torn between mother and father. This is shown in Aradhel's bringing him to Gondolin and Eol 's placing him in the middle when confronting Turgon. It says that he loved his mother best, so he chose Gondolin. In his torn state I think Idril was a bright spot in the dark for him. He was carried away with this, and thus it brought Gondolin to a tragic end.
Enough of my physco analysis.
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I think that sums it up well.
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