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11-20-2003, 03:34 PM | #42 |
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oh boy! .............. ~ahem~
While I can agree that some complaints I've seen on the net are a bit nit picky ... after all we've all seen books done as movies before and should realize that some things will change .... *however* deleting Saruman from RotK leaves a hole in the storyline .... Are we to believe that he is still just sitting in his ruined tower with Wormtounge? He's too powerful a person to just disappear like that and I doubt if the viewing public will understand why he is just gone.... with a person like that there is always a backlash he's too used to power and control to just go silently away .... and personally so what if it would seem like a "wrapping up" of TTT? .... The movies and the books should not be viewed as seperate creations but as a whole .... I'm sure that when the last movie is released on DVD there will be many a loooooong weekend of viewing the movies back to back and I can't imagine we're alone in that .... |
11-20-2003, 03:41 PM | #43 |
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A film to a director is like a painting to an artist. All artists strive for perfection. Please give Peter Jackson the latitude to craft the perfect ROTK movie.
PJ felt it would be a better film without Saruman. Until I see the movie, I will wait and see and avoid the temptation to whine about something we all know nothing about. |
11-20-2003, 03:51 PM | #44 |
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Whine?
I thought I was expressing an opinion .......which I thought I had every right to do .... you certainly seem to think you have that right .... odd that you would not extend the same to others ... Oh well .......... I just received a new research paper on an archaeological dig on paleoindians ........ that seems more interesting to me at the moment so I'll bow out of this discussion which I seem to not have a right to discuss .... |
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11-20-2003, 04:11 PM | #48 |
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While like most everyone, I can see his point about "moving on" to the next movie, I (predictably) think it should be left in. It is necessary to wrap up his storyline for the audience, since we won't have the Scouring. Aside from that, I sure would like to see it on the big screen, and not on my little one when the EE comes out. Not everyone can go to whatever special screenings they might have next year, nor can everyone afford a big screen tv. Part of the beauty of movies is the "big screen" experience, and every time something is moved to the dvd, we lose that experience for those scenes. I think he underestimates the audience's ability to appreciate having that in, rather he seems to think the audience will see it as an "intrusion." Doesn't he know by now that it won't be?
My guess is that he keeps moving this stuff because in post production, they do all the added CG stuff, and he wants to put that in, but must cut from elsewhere to keep to the allotted time. Katherine, of course you can post your opinions here. If you find that anyone in particular continually offends you, you can always put them on your "ignore" list. Don't let anyone get on your nerves to the point that you feel "strongarmed" into not posting. If you choose not to post, do it because you don't want to, not because of what others are saying. And welcome to Entmoot. (Also, after you hang around here a while you'll get used to the posting styles of all the different mooters) |
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11-20-2003, 06:02 PM | #53 |
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Saruman's orc soldiers are destroyed, his orc-making caves have been flooded, and he's left alone with Wormtongue in Orthanc. Most of the non-Tolkien audience would assume from these facts that he's been defeated. So I can understand why Peter Jackson felt he could eliminate it from the theatrical cut as long as he had a way to deal with the discovery of the palantir.
Like other lovers of the books, I question this decision too but I'm not going to have a knee-jerk negative reaction to it until I see exactly how he's handled it. His goal is to create the best film possible. The stakes are incredibly high. He's shooting for a final LOTR film that: 1) ties the three films together; 2) remains faithful to Tolkien's vision; 3) wins the Academy Award for Best Picture; and 4) becomes only the second movie in film history to gross over a billion dollars at the box office. |
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I know why everybody's dissapointed: they wanted to see Saruman die on the big, spiky wheel.
Seriously, I am wondering now what will happen if, as it seems, Pippin doesn't get his hands on the palantir. In the book he looks in and Sauron thinks Pippin has the Ring. All of Sauron's thoughts are bent away from Sam and Frodo, but if he doesn't think Pippin has the Ring, he will be searching other places. Add this to the fact that he probably knows the Ring is near or at Osgiliath (since Frodo practically handed the Nazgul the Ring), and you have a major plot problem. Why doesn't Sauron send all his servants to Osgiliath to claim the Ring? Why even bother sending his armies to Minas Tirith?
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I'm guessing they will only mention it or something, but I honestly have no idea
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Here is something that was taken from the Return of the King production notes:
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------------------------------------------------------------------------ Originally posted by cassiopeia But how will Gandalf get it if it's sitting in Orthanc? Surely Saruman will put up a fight for it? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I imagine it will be something like: Gandalf: "Well, Saruman's obsession with the Ring has destroyed him. Look what Treebeard has sent us." yadda, yadda, yadda.
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