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03-24-2003, 01:30 AM | #43 |
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Thanks much, JD.
Elvengirl, opinion is what I want.
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03-24-2003, 05:30 PM | #45 | |
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03-24-2003, 05:43 PM | #46 |
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When I share stuff, I'm always happy for some good constructive criticism. But if it's too constructive, I may bite your head off! Just kidding, of course.
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03-24-2003, 09:31 PM | #47 |
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Re: Are stupid outlandish names necessary in sci-fi/fantasy?
You know you are an unimaginitive@@$@&)(*&$%@@P(*&#
IDIOT
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03-24-2003, 09:53 PM | #48 |
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O.o
Okaaaaay...
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03-24-2003, 10:26 PM | #50 |
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IronParrot, I understand where your coming from *note: I didn't read anything from this thread but the first post, hate me all you want* People who do it from backround are one thing, but it can be really confusing otherwise.
I think people take "poetic license" if you will. If they are going to write, or make a series or whatever, then they are going to do it their way.
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03-24-2003, 10:47 PM | #51 |
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Yeah, IP, what do you want? "FEAR ME! I AM THE EVIL SORCERER, JIMMY JOE-BOB!"
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03-24-2003, 11:35 PM | #52 |
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Well for starters, "Luke Skywalker" wasn't so bad.
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03-24-2003, 11:38 PM | #53 |
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Okay, that's one. Too bad it's taken.
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03-24-2003, 11:41 PM | #54 |
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His first last name was
"Starkiller" Did you know that? I read it on Trivial Pursuit genus 5
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03-24-2003, 11:45 PM | #55 |
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Actually, I did know it. Not that I still remembered it...
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03-24-2003, 11:48 PM | #56 |
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Oh, kay then....
Jeez, you are WAY to into Starwars... I only know Starkiller because I played that game tonight, I mean the only real thing I remember from the movies *first and only time viewing* is Darth's voice and the Lord of Sith *that was star wars?* and he was his father....
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03-24-2003, 11:55 PM | #57 |
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You should see me and fantasy, especially Tolkien.
Or my brother and Star Wars...
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03-26-2003, 12:39 AM | #58 |
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Just like the folk who think war is never excusable:
"Your way is wrong!" "Any suggestions for another way?" *silence*
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03-26-2003, 02:22 AM | #59 |
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Actually, that's not quite true. There is another way.
If fantasy writers are going to go overboard with unpronounceable names filled with apostrophes (the examples you guys have come with so far are relatively tame), that just becomes confusing and hard to follow. If it turns the audience off, it's simply not good writing. Option One: they can be at least somewhat consistent about it, and frame it in some sort of model. Maintain some sort of consistent sound that implies united cultural and linguistic roots or something. I'm not saying they need to be as good as Tolkien, because they probably couldn't if they tried. It's just that there's a line that needs to be drawn between the reasonable and unreasonable. East Indian names just have a feel that sound Indian. Roman names sound Roman. Even Elvish names sound Elvish. That's what I mean by a consistent linguistic model. Once again, you don't need Tolkien-calibre precision, but that's the right direction. Option Two: Anglicization is not such a bad idea. If you look at the Chinese historical epic Romance of the Three Kingdoms, for example, you will see two different kinds of translations out there - one that maintains the original names phonetically, through pinyin - and one that takes the names and translate them into their literal meanings. (The second, of course, is far more accessible.) It's like what's already done with Native American names on a regular basis. At least make the names mean something. Leaving them as decoration isn't much of an excuse for having them. Several of you have ridiculed the alternative as being naming everybody "Sir Billy Joe Bob the Green Knight" or something, but that's simply not the case. You'd be out of your mind to name someone Billy Joe Bob in a non-fantasy novel, lest it were to prove a point. The same applies here. There's a certain level of outrageousness at the other end of the spectrum, too. Furthermore: this only really becomes a huge problem when there are lots of characters to deal with. Often, this is perhaps a problem with the fact that they weren't very well-drawn characters to begin with, and that's a different issue in itself, though confusing names make it worse. I realize the need to make things look "otherworldly", but the work is still written in the English language, and that still binds the work to our world. An author who forsakes a decent connection to the audience isn't much of an author. The impression that I get from people who go overboard on "fantasy-like" names is that they are cheap Tolkien imitators. Which, unfortunately, a lot of fantasy writers are.
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03-26-2003, 02:37 AM | #60 |
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O well, at least most of my names fit under Option One; i.e. deriven from a primitive, rudimentary linguistic structure. The Canrath/Nesai and Gnome ones are just meant to sound similar.
Out of curiosity, which authors do you see as "nonsense" name-makers?
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