Multiple explosions in London - Page 3

***Earniel*** · 07-08-2005, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sun-star

As for tea, it's the answer to every other problem, so why not terrorism as well?

Darn right! That's why I thought it deserved a mention.

trolls' bane · 07-08-2005, 04:32 PM

Couldn't mention it enough! No one can.

*sends big case of special, home-made tea to London*

Insidious Rex · 07-08-2005, 04:33 PM

If youve ever had the chance to see the movie Hope and Glory about England during the blitzkrieg you will get a wondeful view of just how strong and durable the English are during a time of utter chaos and enormous risk. One of the best movies ever made. Four bombs is something you shrug off when you grew up having your neighborhood bombed from the air every night for months.

trolls' bane · 07-08-2005, 04:39 PM

Well, if the terrorists know that, they are fools for wasting four bombs. At any rate, they did an utterly poor job at scaring the people in London, then.
*smacks terrorist with giant tea bag*
It's almost more of a tradgedy in California than it seems to even be effective in London. Some guy on the news was making all of these jokes despite the fact the left part of his face was covered in blood. He didn't seem to notice, he was just glad to be on TV

.

sun-star · 07-08-2005, 04:47 PM

Like I say, people are putting a brave face on it, but that doesn't mean they aren't very shocked and hurt by what's happened. Sometimes other countries don't understand the British sense of humour and they think it means we don't care, but of course we do.

Totally agree with you IR. Other similarly great wartime movies which really encapsulate this attitude are Mrs Miniver, about life in the Home Counties during the war, and A Canterbury Tale, where you can see the effect of bombing on Canterbury. They're propaganda, but by giving people an ideal to live up to they become reality, and I do think they represent a lot of the truth about 'the Blitz spirit'.

Mercutio · 07-08-2005, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sun-star

As for tea[...]

Bucks you up, what?

sun-star · 07-08-2005, 04:54 PM

Right-o, on all occasions

inked · 07-08-2005, 09:30 PM

I am very grateful that all Mooters are thus far all right and not injured. I certainly hope (and pray) that will remain the status. I agree that the TV interviewees have done a superb job of maintaining and displaying the characteristic British humour, reserve, and stoicism - which is the virtue of courage!

My prayers are with those who were killed and injured, their families and friends, and the leaders who must respond.

As an American, I can empathize with the multitude of emotions expressed because of the events of 9/11. One's emotions run the entire gamut of fear to rage. No doubt the courage is still there! I think the response will be very like that to Churchill's call to fight the Third Reich. What needs to be done will be done - at the appropriate time and place.

And the tea will certainly assist the process! (As a Southerner, though, may I have mine iced, pleased?!)

Thanks be God none of you were harmed!

The Wizard from Milan · 07-08-2005, 10:20 PM

I am very shocked. I am very sad for the victims and their relatives. And I am extremely angry with the terrorists.
In a sense, I can related to this attack more closely than to others because I had lived in Upper Woburn Place for one year, and the part of street that bears that name is so short that the bus must have exploded in front of my old doorstep.
I am looking forward to the day in which Al Queda is finally eradicated

***Sister Golden Hair*** · 07-09-2005, 12:09 AM

Um, Spock, is your cap key stuck?

see post #69, et. al

***Khamûl*** · 07-09-2005, 12:15 AM

Just a suggestion, but it might be nice if everyone just relaxed a moment and took a few deep breaths. Or go outside and scream until you feel better -- whatever works.

Spock · 07-09-2005, 12:17 AM

..perchance to rest, perchance to dream a dream of peace......

***Khamûl*** · 07-09-2005, 12:20 AM

Another fine option: contemplate what dreams may come when we have shuffled off this mortal coil.

Elenwen06 · 07-09-2005, 12:23 AM

I know this is getting back to much earlier in this thread, but has anyone in London seen a tour of students from California? I think it's a People to People tour, or something like that. My best friend was going overseas, I don't remember where, but I think she said she was going to be in London around now and I'm scared because I'm stuck in the middle of nowhere with no way of getting in touch with her and she doesn't have my address. Maybe she's somewhere else, but I just want to make sure, you know? I've been following this thing on the news, and I'm scared for her. Thanks.

trolls' bane · 07-10-2005, 02:51 AM

I'm a bit confused with all of this, and I'm not sure I'm getting what everyone is saying (not because I don't understand, but there are too many opinions to keep up with). Therefore, I'm going to start myself on a completely seperate slate.
Terrorism is becoming a major problem, and either coincidentally or by fate, the "terrorists" we are speaking of all happen to belong to a particular race. Moreover, they all happen to beleive in the Islamic religion. We seem to forget that these terrorists think that what they are doing is right, and actually beleive it wholeheartedly, and this is at odds with their own religion: no religion glorifies killing. Therefore, from here on out remember that the reason they are terrorists because they are extremists, and they beleive that people of all other religions (and maybe even races?) are pure evil. So, these "terrorists" (or extremists) attack innocent people because they beleive that these innocent people [the majority of the "innocent people" (Americans and Europeans) are Christians and Jews (and all of the corresponding sects) and are as evil to them as they are to us]. Since their extreme version of Islam is probably much different from the more traditional sects of Islam.
--I know this is going absolutely nowhere, but I am sort of getting new thoughts as I'm typing.--

Anyway, all this to say that all religions have had extremists. Interesting that this point should come up: I was watching this interesting documentary on the History Channel about the Ku Klux Klan, who were and still are Christian extremists who not only disliked all other religions (mainly catholics and jews) and were in a sense terrorists as well. But look how some Americans thought of them. Let's see: they are continually reviving, they took control of Indiana for a few years, etc. etc. More likely than not, not a single American here would agree with a Klansmen, so the Muslim people obviously feel the same about these extremeists.

I could keep going, but I got to go.

sun-star · 07-10-2005, 01:08 PM

... but I thought Eärniel and Mercutio might be interested in this re:tea and tragedy

Coventry's Cup of Tea

***Earniel*** · 07-10-2005, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sun-star

... but I thought Eärniel and Mercutio might be interested in this re:tea and tragedy

Coventry's Cup of Tea

Thank you sun-star!

It seems like drinking tea is a well-integrated step in coping with traumatic experiences on your side of the canal.

Spock · 07-10-2005, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lief Erikson

By the way, the way I read this leaves me also hoping I was misunderstanding. It sounded to me like proposing of striking mass numbers of innocents in order to get at the guilty.
Spock, it sounds to me like you're saying we should smash the locals in places where terrorists are. It sounds to me like you think we should have dropped a bunch of nuclear bombs on Afghanistan rather then tackling the place with ground troops.

Gee what a great idea

We could turn the whole country into a parking lot and multi-level mall. How about "kill 'em all and let Allah sort them out".
See, you can misinterpret things.

Spock · 07-10-2005, 03:43 PM

I'm for Sun-Star's suggestion, let's sit the rest of the day out with a cup o'tea and some scones.

Lotesse · 07-10-2005, 03:46 PM

Spock, you're gettin' em ALL riled up on the Moot!

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07-08-2005, 04:32 PM	#42
trolls' bane Entmoot Secretary of the Treasury Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Campsite-by-Giraffe Posts: 5,408	Couldn't mention it enough! No one can. sends big case of special, home-made tea to London __________________ KI6PFA Amateur Radio Operator

07-08-2005, 04:33 PM	#43
Insidious Rex Quasi Evil Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Maryland, US Posts: 4,634	If youve ever had the chance to see the movie Hope and Glory about England during the blitzkrieg you will get a wondeful view of just how strong and durable the English are during a time of utter chaos and enormous risk. One of the best movies ever made. Four bombs is something you shrug off when you grew up having your neighborhood bombed from the air every night for months. __________________ "People's political beliefs don't stem from the factual information they've acquired. Far more the facts people choose to believe are the product of their political beliefs." "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."

07-08-2005, 04:39 PM	#44
trolls' bane Entmoot Secretary of the Treasury Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Campsite-by-Giraffe Posts: 5,408	Well, if the terrorists know that, they are fools for wasting four bombs. At any rate, they did an utterly poor job at scaring the people in London, then. smacks terrorist with giant tea bag It's almost more of a tradgedy in California than it seems to even be effective in London. Some guy on the news was making all of these jokes despite the fact the left part of his face was covered in blood. He didn't seem to notice, he was just glad to be on TV . __________________ KI6PFA Amateur Radio Operator

07-08-2005, 04:47 PM	#45
sun-star Lady of Letters Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Either Oxford or Kent, England Posts: 2,476	Like I say, people are putting a brave face on it, but that doesn't mean they aren't very shocked and hurt by what's happened. Sometimes other countries don't understand the British sense of humour and they think it means we don't care, but of course we do. Totally agree with you IR. Other similarly great wartime movies which really encapsulate this attitude are Mrs Miniver, about life in the Home Counties during the war, and A Canterbury Tale, where you can see the effect of bombing on Canterbury. They're propaganda, but by giving people an ideal to live up to they become reality, and I do think they represent a lot of the truth about 'the Blitz spirit'. Last edited by sun-star : 07-08-2005 at 04:48 PM.

07-08-2005, 04:54 PM	#47
sun-star Lady of Letters Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Either Oxford or Kent, England Posts: 2,476	Right-o, on all occasions __________________ And all the time the waves, the waves, the waves Chase, intersect and flatten on the sand As they have done for centuries, as they will For centuries to come, when not a soul Is left to picnic on the blazing rocks, When England is not England, when mankind Has blown himself to pieces. Still the sea, Consolingly disastrous, will return While the strange starfish, hugely magnified, Waits in the jewelled basin of a pool.

07-08-2005, 09:30 PM	#48
inked Elf Lord Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: sikeston, MO, usa, earth, sol Posts: 3,114	I am very grateful that all Mooters are thus far all right and not injured. I certainly hope (and pray) that will remain the status. I agree that the TV interviewees have done a superb job of maintaining and displaying the characteristic British humour, reserve, and stoicism - which is the virtue of courage! My prayers are with those who were killed and injured, their families and friends, and the leaders who must respond. As an American, I can empathize with the multitude of emotions expressed because of the events of 9/11. One's emotions run the entire gamut of fear to rage. No doubt the courage is still there! I think the response will be very like that to Churchill's call to fight the Third Reich. What needs to be done will be done - at the appropriate time and place. And the tea will certainly assist the process! (As a Southerner, though, may I have mine iced, pleased?!) Thanks be God none of you were harmed! __________________ Inked "Aslan is not a tame lion." CSL/LWW "The new school [acts] as if it required...courage to say a blasphemy. There is only one thing that requires real courage to say, and that is a truism." GK Chesterton "And there is always the danger of allowing people to suppose that our modern times are so wholly unlike any other times that the fundamental facts about man's nature have wholly changed with changing circumstances." Dorothy L. Sayers, 1 Sept. 1941

07-08-2005, 10:20 PM	#49
The Wizard from Milan Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 421	I am very shocked. I am very sad for the victims and their relatives. And I am extremely angry with the terrorists. In a sense, I can related to this attack more closely than to others because I had lived in Upper Woburn Place for one year, and the part of street that bears that name is so short that the bus must have exploded in front of my old doorstep. I am looking forward to the day in which Al Queda is finally eradicated

07-09-2005, 12:09 AM	#50
*Sister Golden Hair* Queen of Nargothrond Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Akron, Ohio - USA Posts: 7,121	Um, Spock, is your cap key stuck? see post #69, et. al __________________ "Whither go you?" she said. "North away." he said: "to the swords, and the siege, and the walls of defence - that yet for a while in Beleriand rivers may run clean, leaves spring, and birds build their nests, ere Night comes." AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide Last edited by Spock : 07-09-2005 at 12:19 AM. Reason: query

07-09-2005, 12:15 AM	#51
*Khamûl* Slacker Warrior Admin Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,759	Just a suggestion, but it might be nice if everyone just relaxed a moment and took a few deep breaths. Or go outside and scream until you feel better -- whatever works. __________________ "If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you." Gandalf to Pippin Psalm 107:31

07-09-2005, 12:17 AM	#52
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07-09-2005, 12:20 AM	#53
*Khamûl* Slacker Warrior Admin Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,759	Another fine option: contemplate what dreams may come when we have shuffled off this mortal coil. __________________ "If the giving of information is to be the cure of your inquisitiveness, I shall spend all the rest of my days in answering you." Gandalf to Pippin Psalm 107:31

07-09-2005, 12:23 AM	#54
Elenwen06 Sapling Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: California Posts: 10	I know this is getting back to much earlier in this thread, but has anyone in London seen a tour of students from California? I think it's a People to People tour, or something like that. My best friend was going overseas, I don't remember where, but I think she said she was going to be in London around now and I'm scared because I'm stuck in the middle of nowhere with no way of getting in touch with her and she doesn't have my address. Maybe she's somewhere else, but I just want to make sure, you know? I've been following this thing on the news, and I'm scared for her. Thanks. __________________ "I fear neither death nor pain." "What is it you fear, Lady?" "A cage. To be kept behind bars until use and old age accept them." "This reminds me of the time Lady Galadriel gave me this stuff she called weed. I liked it. It reminded me of the first time I climbed a pine tree... naked!" --Legolas

07-10-2005, 02:51 AM	#55
trolls' bane Entmoot Secretary of the Treasury Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Campsite-by-Giraffe Posts: 5,408	I'm a bit confused with all of this, and I'm not sure I'm getting what everyone is saying (not because I don't understand, but there are too many opinions to keep up with). Therefore, I'm going to start myself on a completely seperate slate. Terrorism is becoming a major problem, and either coincidentally or by fate, the "terrorists" we are speaking of all happen to belong to a particular race. Moreover, they all happen to beleive in the Islamic religion. We seem to forget that these terrorists think that what they are doing is right, and actually beleive it wholeheartedly, and this is at odds with their own religion: no religion glorifies killing. Therefore, from here on out remember that the reason they are terrorists because they are extremists, and they beleive that people of all other religions (and maybe even races?) are pure evil. So, these "terrorists" (or extremists) attack innocent people because they beleive that these innocent people [the majority of the "innocent people" (Americans and Europeans) are Christians and Jews (and all of the corresponding sects) and are as evil to them as they are to us]. Since their extreme version of Islam is probably much different from the more traditional sects of Islam. --I know this is going absolutely nowhere, but I am sort of getting new thoughts as I'm typing.-- Anyway, all this to say that all religions have had extremists. Interesting that this point should come up: I was watching this interesting documentary on the History Channel about the Ku Klux Klan, who were and still are Christian extremists who not only disliked all other religions (mainly catholics and jews) and were in a sense terrorists as well. But look how some Americans thought of them. Let's see: they are continually reviving, they took control of Indiana for a few years, etc. etc. More likely than not, not a single American here would agree with a Klansmen, so the Muslim people obviously feel the same about these extremeists. I could keep going, but I got to go. __________________ KI6PFA Amateur Radio Operator

07-10-2005, 01:08 PM	#56
sun-star Lady of Letters Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Either Oxford or Kent, England Posts: 2,476	Sorry to interrupt... ... but I thought Eärniel and Mercutio might be interested in this re:tea and tragedy Coventry's Cup of Tea __________________ And all the time the waves, the waves, the waves Chase, intersect and flatten on the sand As they have done for centuries, as they will For centuries to come, when not a soul Is left to picnic on the blazing rocks, When England is not England, when mankind Has blown himself to pieces. Still the sea, Consolingly disastrous, will return While the strange starfish, hugely magnified, Waits in the jewelled basin of a pool.

07-10-2005, 03:43 PM	#59
Spock An enigma in a conundrum Join Date: Oct 1999 Posts: 6,476	I'm for Sun-Star's suggestion, let's sit the rest of the day out with a cup o'tea and some scones. __________________ Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

07-10-2005, 03:46 PM	#60
Lotesse of the House of Fëanor Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,150	Spock, you're gettin' em ALL riled up on the Moot! __________________ Few people have the imagination for reality. ~Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

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