08-12-2003, 08:03 PM | #41 |
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I only saw the play but that was really good so i might read the book but its the last on my list. Afer seeing the play it doesn't interest me as much as other books would.
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RE: the family thing, did they really believe that? So one family would pass down their traits from generation to generation? That's also demonstrated partially by the Reed children. They are selfish and uncompassionate, like Mrs Reed. However, their father, as we are led to believe, was not like that. (Well, he cared for Jane and his sister- her mother) I would have liked to know more about Mr Reed. There again is that thing about ordinary people being kinder etc. All of St. John's family (can't remember their surname) were lovely, humble, poorer people. Hold on, were they poor? I don't recall- I think they were middle class. (We haven't gotten up to that part of the text yet) Quote:
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Before she leeched onto Miss Temple, the latter was kind and treated her with respect. This is what caused her to ...leech onto her. Rochester intrigued her --> bait for leeching. Do you know what's interesting? In class today we discussed significant characters and their impact on Jane. Helen Burns, we think, represented an aspect of Jane. (albeit maybe a small one). We have only read up to volume two. (When R.'s wife sets fire to his bed). Getting back to the WAY earlier point, it does seem that Brontë uses characters to encompass a whole theme/element or something. Sort of like how Jane adores Adele, though she is very much like the Reed Children- demonstrating her willingness to forgive. Last edited by Linaewen : 08-16-2003 at 06:00 AM. |
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I just realised that Jane Eyre has been sitting in our bookcase for years and I have never read it. I suppose it's because I prefer fantasy and science fiction. But since you're having such a long discussion I think I may read it.
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...or can at least fudge her way through it!
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S'ok 'Zales (), take as long as you need. I won't be online for a while, I think. Maybe when I come back, Cass will have read the book- then we can get really stuck into it! Woohoo!
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I just started to read it last night. Give me two weeks and by then I should have read it, so I can join in.
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So do you think there are any more characters that may represent aspects of Jane? Maybe Rochester?
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Oh, I wouldn't really compare Adèle to the Reed children. Though she may equally have been spoiled, her character struck me as very different from the Reed children, more warm and curious. I don't think Jane really regarded her as the type of child that used to hate her. But then again, it's been awhile, 5 to 6 years I think, since I've read Jane Eyre so my memory isn't of the greatest.
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No, you're right, she is different in personality, but she is the same type in terms of situation -- a child of privilege who gets what she wants, etc. So this time Jane is accepted and loved by the child, whereas when she was a girl the children of privilege with whom she lived were so mean and hateful. So looking at it from a psychoanalytic POV, she now has both the control in the relationship and has the admiration of the child, and in a way that is a kind of "redemption" or a correcting of the situation.
If Adele had been a brat, nasty, hurtful toward Jane, would Jane have stayed (for the time she did), or would it have been too painful to find herself in that same old situation of bearing the brunt of brattiness? Regarding others who reflect aspects of Jane's personality, I'll have to get back to you. But I will say that I can see Miss Temple, the Reed children, and St. John all mirroring tiny parts of Jane that come through at one time or another. I'll have to elaborate later, or if you see what I do, you can tell why you think as you do (or about others). |
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Has anyone read any of Charlotte Bronte's other novels? In the past few weeks I've read Villette and The Professor and I'm currently reading Shirley. It's interesting to compare them - Villette and The Professor are very similar in subject matter (they've got practically the same setting) and theme, focussing on the individual, while Shirley has a much wider range of characters and broader social concerns.
Any thoughts?
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I read Villette quite a few years ago, but I remember being frustrated because of all the French, and I couldn't understand a lot of it.
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I had the same problem actually, and The Professor is the same. I realised too late that I should have got an edition which had notes in the back...
I wonder if in the 19th century authors just expected their readers to know French?
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I'm not a Bronte reader, but I stumbled upon this thread out of curiosity.
I happen to speak French, so I volounteer to translate for you any passages you'd like; just post them here or PM me with them |
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Thanks for your offer That's very nice!
However, in Villette, there are many sections where there is dialogue in French on every page, many paragraphs - too much to type in for me! There's probably a footnoted version out somewhere, but the story didn't grab me enough to re-read it. Yes, I imagine those authors just expected that people knew French. Times have changed... There IS a French phrase that Agatha Christie used in one of her mystery books that I've always wondered about, tho - if I find it again, I'll run it past you
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In Sayer's Lord Peter books he says so much in Latin and French (similarly to Jane Eyre)! And quotes millions of things. It just blows my mind (lol)
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I've read most of this discussion... but I'll need to scroll through the rest of it.
Y'see, I read Jane Eyre for English class this summer. I am currently (as in, I have my Microsoft Word minimized right this very instant) writing a paper on the book to be handed in on the first day of classes. My paper's topic? In five pages, give or take a half a page, please explain why Jane Eyre is specifically an English novel.... Yeah. School sucks. Anybody want to pitch in? Thus far, I've got
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