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Aaa my thread! I'm glad you guys fixed it though.
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Since this thread isn't just about NAFTA... what if you opened up a dialogue with Cuba now. This wouldn't require you to support them in any way - it would just get people talking. Then, when Cuba has a new leader, there would already be an established dialogue. That could eventually lead to NAFTA entry talks. How do countries usually get rid of unwanted governments? Through war? Intervention of outside nations? Revolution? Sometimes this leads to replacing one lousy goverment with another one. I ramble because I wonder how Cuba is going to do it, and I hope they don't have a civil war. Quote:
As for the Cold War, nope, I don't remember! We had to study this in secondary school, but I don't remember a thing. All I know is it ended in 1991 with the fall of the Soviet Union. Um... right? Quote:
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Well Nurv -
It would be nice if Castro dies - just like it was very nice that Arafat finally kicked the bucket. We don't have a problem with Cuba - we have a problem with their government. We really don't think that Canada has to play mediator between us and Cuba. We're doing just fine in the relationship. Cubans still look at the US as a friend - as evidenced by the thousands each year who risk their life to come to the US by raft. Some have even converted their cars so they float - but as far as I know - only one group of people made it over that way. In decemeber the entire Cuban dance troup defected to the US while putting on a huge show in NY. As long as Castro is in power and as long as their government is the oppressive dictatorship that it is - we will have nothing to do with them. This is partly because of the will of the many many Cubans who live here and this is partly because of the history of the US with Cuba. To give you a little history - Cuba - colony of Spain Spanish-American War America defeats Spain and wins land - including Puerto Rico and Cuba Cuba votes for independence from the US - which we grant (one of the arguments Puerto Ricans use when they vote whether to become a state or stay as a territory or become independant - they say - look at what happened to Cuab after it became independan) Cuban Revolution Kennedy's miserable failure with Bay of Pigs Cuban Missile Crisis (which brought the world to the brink of nuclear disaster)
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Of course one could make the argument that cuba, like china, would come under the democratic fold faster if we let them into a NAFTA like situation where capitalism is much more likely to grow. Abject isolation certainly hasnt worked for the past 50 years with them. But politically theres no chance of common sense prevailing because it would mean losing the cuban american block. so we will sit and wait for castro to die while the people of cuba continue to suffer. the last remnents of the cold war on earth.
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And as LCoU said - Cuba isn't the last remnant of the cold war. Cuab is just closer to us.
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Are you doing fine though? If you are, then okay, but it seems like you don't have all that much of a relationship with them. Castro won't live forever, why not start some sort of dialogue with the country that will outlast the current government? Quote:
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Negatives that they feel - 1) they would lose their olympic team. 2) They are afraid they will have to pay taxes - but considering that most people live under the poverty line - this is just a scare tactic by the "stay as a territory" group - since they really wouldn't be paying any taxes. 3) they are concerned that they would have to give up their language. The US does not have an official language, nor do we want two languages like Canada does. Quote:
Here is another site - pro-statehood - US Council for Puerto Rico Statehood What Should be Done with Puerto Rico? (University of Utah) Anti-Puerto Rican Statehood status - Puerto Rican Statehood: A Path to Disunion By Pat Buchanan
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Here is another anti-Puerto Rican Statehood one...
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I've split off the posts dealing with national languages into a new thread. Follow the rabbittrail to the new "National Language(s)" thread.
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The article does bring up a good point about poverty in Puerto Rico. If it becomes a state, maybe the standard of living for many Puerto Ricans would be increased over time. Why would that not happen as a territory though? What does it mean to be a territory? It seems like they are their own nation with their dollar tied to the American dollar. In fact, for quite a while I thought that was exactly how it was, and only recently realized they're a territory. Are they part of the USA only in name and money? I'm actually not quite sure how we use the term territory. The Yukon, Nunavut, and the North West Territories are our three.
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i always thought of the term in this context was a polite way of saying colony,
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I don't think it's the same as a colony Chrys. That implies that one country has sent people to "civilize the natives" or whatever it was that they did "back in the day". Then again, there are still remnants of those attitudes - and we still have the Commonwealth games.
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