One-of-a-Kind Friendship? - Page 3

Elbereth · 08-03-2002, 10:56 AM

has anyone read KIM? it's like huck finn...anyways, the lama [tibetan word for holy man] and kim have that sort of relationship.

Lanelf · 08-05-2002, 10:04 PM

About the Harry and Ron thing: I wouldn't say they're quite as close as Sam and Frodo. After all:
<<<Here be Spoilers>>>
In HP4 (goblet of fire) Harry and Ron have a big fight and won't speak to each other for about a month or so. Sam and Frodo, as far as I know, have never had a fight and would probably make it up quickly anyway. Sam and Frodo are two of my favourites...

Lanelf

samwiselvr2008 · 08-07-2002, 10:42 AM

Ummm, how about in Where the Red Fern Grows? The dogs and Billy. The dogs loved him so much that one of them, old Dan died protecting him from getting hurt, and the other one Little Ann died from sorow of Old Dans dieth, she had refused to eat! and Billy loved them so much, he is the one telling the story, and he had to have loved them, just by the way the story was told! that was such a sad story, i think that i will read it again after i finish TTT and ROTK!

Elbereth · 09-06-2002, 07:43 PM

Holmes and Watson?

markedel · 09-07-2002, 05:12 PM

Perhaps Hazel and Fiver from Watership Down. Also an excellent book.

Erawyn · 09-07-2002, 07:43 PM

Everything i was going to say has already been said, i'll try and think of more though. I think Ron and Harry is a pretty good example, yes they got in a fight, but they are kids, and that kind of thing happens, frodo and sam are different in that respect.

Hasty Ent · 09-08-2002, 07:25 PM

Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid.
Xena and her girlfriend (can't remember her name - short and blonde).

Rána Eressëa · 09-08-2002, 07:34 PM

Me, myself, and I compare to the friendship of Sam and Frodo.

I think they stand out in their own right, just as many others would themselves. They had a very unique bond, though; it's hard to find comparison.

Eruviel Greenleaf · 09-08-2002, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hasty Ent
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid.
Xena and her girlfriend (can't remember her name - short and blonde).

Gabrielle (sp?) I knew that? I'm scared. Very scared.

mirial · 09-10-2002, 09:43 PM

first of all may i say that im new tada! (hee hee) anyway you guys are really funny. but any way i was sort of offended by sam and frodo's relationship i mean it was like sam was a slave and wasn't as good and frodo. and yet frodo stood up for him and watched over him, but sam did the sam thing, they did have a unique friendship, but i wouldn't say the BEST of friendship

Hrothgar · 09-11-2002, 04:54 AM

Ok, Achilles and patroklos, you could say was a fairly deep friendship. I agree about Roland and Oliver also. How about Caesar and Antony? Alexander and Hephaistion?

Entlover; the Damon you refer to, to the best of my memory, was a Pythagorean philosopher from Sicily, and yes you are right he offered to take his friend's (Phintias) place.

The appointed hour came and Damon did not show. Then suddenly in the nick of time he pops up and saves his friend. The king is so moved that he pardons Phintias, and they both live happily ever after.

Touching.

Frodo and sam's friendship, in my opinion follows these precendents and Tolkien, no doubt, drew on these stories.

Either way, I have found alot of people unable to get their heads round such a deep friendship. Sad times indeed.

Linarryl · 10-22-2002, 01:13 PM

Kikki and Tebo are like that in Stubby.
U probably don't know what I'm talking about do U?

Qoheleth · 09-28-2008, 06:47 PM

Any list of "Great Friendships between Gentlemen and Their Servants" would have to include Bertie Wooster and Jeeves, from Sir P. G. Wodehouse's famous series of novels, and Bruce Wayne and Alfred Pennyworth, from the Batman mythos in all its variations. (Also, while we're on the subject of Wodehouse, let's not forget about Mike Jackson and Rupert Psmith, from Mike and Psmith.) If you extend the principle to include Wise Old Man and Young, Virile Companion, Li Kao and Number Ten Ox, from Barry Hughart's Bridge of Birds, also spring to mind.

I was also a little surprised that no-one's mentioned Jack Aubrey and Stephen Maturin, of Patrick-O'Brien-sea-novel fame. Plus, of course, C. S. Lewis listed four classic pairs of friends in his book The Four Loves; David and Jonathan and Roland and Oliver appear to already have been mentioned, but no-one seems to have lighted on Pylades and Orestes (Aeschylus) and Amis and Amiles (12th-century French romance) yet.

For my money, though, the greatest friendship in literature is only about 20 years old. It was chronicled over a span of ten years in one of the crowning achievements of 20th-century English-language literature, which was devoted almost exclusively to the friendship of the two principal characters. Granted, the work in question was a comic strip, and the two friends were a six-year-old boy and a tiger of indeterminate ontological standing, but still, can any other pair of literary comrades really claim to outdo Calvin and Hobbes?

Nautipus · 09-29-2008, 06:17 PM

That right there is one hell of a first post.

Midge · 09-29-2008, 11:41 PM

I thought the example of "Where the Red Fern Grows" was a good one, though I think it would be more comparable to the relationship between the two dogs...

Not that I'm saying that Frodo and Sam were like dogs. Honestly, I think Frodo loved Sam because Sam loved him. Sam was absolutely devoted to Frodo just because it was his duty; it was his commission.

In the end, I do think they love each other equally. Sam does not love Frodo more or anything ridiculous like that. But in the beginning of their relationship (sometimes, anyway) it seems like Frodo is not that committed and only holds on because Sam continues to be there.

Attalus · 09-30-2008, 07:11 PM

Holmes and Watson, of course.
Stephen Maturin and Jack Aubrey, for those who have not read those 21 volumes.
Damon and Pythias.
Gus and Call in Lonesome Dove
Athos, Porthos, Aramis and D'Artagnan

And, Sam was NOT a slave.

Jon S. · 09-30-2008, 08:30 PM

But he was a servant.

Attalus · 10-01-2008, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon S.

But he was a servant.

Yep, but there is a great difference. Sam could have left anytime he felt like it. He just stuck to his duty. Slaves do not have that choice.

Jon S. · 10-01-2008, 11:25 AM

Why do you think I said "but?"

Attalus · 10-01-2008, 01:32 PM

Ah. Point taken.

08-03-2002, 10:56 AM	#41
Elbereth Elven Warrior Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Rivendell Posts: 122	has anyone read KIM? it's like huck finn...anyways, the lama [tibetan word for holy man] and kim have that sort of relationship. __________________ A! Elbereth Gilithoniel! 'Fate goes ever as fate must.' Beowulf (Seamus Haney's translation) FRODO LIVES!!!

08-05-2002, 10:04 PM	#42
Lanelf Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Second Drawer Down Posts: 407	*Spoilers* for Harry Potter About the Harry and Ron thing: I wouldn't say they're quite as close as Sam and Frodo. After all: <<<Here be Spoilers>>> In HP4 (goblet of fire) Harry and Ron have a big fight and won't speak to each other for about a month or so. Sam and Frodo, as far as I know, have never had a fight and would probably make it up quickly anyway. Sam and Frodo are two of my favourites... Lanelf __________________ Hey, I'm back! resounding silence You didn't even notice I was gone, did you? Well, I'm back now anyway. Artemis Fowl must find Mulch Diggums! You'll never shut down the real Napster

08-07-2002, 10:42 AM	#43
samwiselvr2008 Elf Lord Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Hobbiton Posts: 739	Ummm, how about in Where the Red Fern Grows? The dogs and Billy. The dogs loved him so much that one of them, old Dan died protecting him from getting hurt, and the other one Little Ann died from sorow of Old Dans dieth, she had refused to eat! and Billy loved them so much, he is the one telling the story, and he had to have loved them, just by the way the story was told! that was such a sad story, i think that i will read it again after i finish TTT and ROTK! __________________ Jesus loves you! Movie vewing count from the theater: Return of the King:9 Two Towers: 11 Fellowship: 13 FRODO LIVES! Last edited by samwiselvr2008 : 09-06-2002 at 09:43 PM.

09-06-2002, 07:43 PM	#44
Elbereth Elven Warrior Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Rivendell Posts: 122	Holmes and Watson? __________________ A! Elbereth Gilithoniel! 'Fate goes ever as fate must.' Beowulf (Seamus Haney's translation) FRODO LIVES!!!

09-07-2002, 05:12 PM	#45
markedel 'Sober' Mullet Frosh Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Queen's Posts: 1,245	Perhaps Hazel and Fiver from Watership Down. Also an excellent book. __________________ "Earnur was a man like his father in valour, but not in wisdom"

09-07-2002, 07:43 PM	#46
Erawyn Elven Warrior Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: america junior Posts: 320	Everything i was going to say has already been said, i'll try and think of more though. I think Ron and Harry is a pretty good example, yes they got in a fight, but they are kids, and that kind of thing happens, frodo and sam are different in that respect. __________________ peace never hurt anyone "Be not so bigoted to any custom as to worship it at the expense of Truth." Johann Georg von Zimmermann

09-08-2002, 07:25 PM	#47
Hasty Ent Elf Lord Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 516	Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. Xena and her girlfriend (can't remember her name - short and blonde).

09-08-2002, 07:34 PM	#48
Rána Eressëa The Rogue Elf Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,722	Me, myself, and I compare to the friendship of Sam and Frodo. I think they stand out in their own right, just as many others would themselves. They had a very unique bond, though; it's hard to find comparison.

09-10-2002, 09:43 PM	#50
mirial Enting Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: only in your dreams...or nightmares :) Posts: 93	first of all may i say that im new tada! (hee hee) anyway you guys are really funny. but any way i was sort of offended by sam and frodo's relationship i mean it was like sam was a slave and wasn't as good and frodo. and yet frodo stood up for him and watched over him, but sam did the sam thing, they did have a unique friendship, but i wouldn't say the BEST of friendship

09-11-2002, 04:54 AM	#51
Hrothgar Hobbit Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Adelaide, Australia Posts: 27	Ok, Achilles and patroklos, you could say was a fairly deep friendship. I agree about Roland and Oliver also. How about Caesar and Antony? Alexander and Hephaistion? Entlover; the Damon you refer to, to the best of my memory, was a Pythagorean philosopher from Sicily, and yes you are right he offered to take his friend's (Phintias) place. The appointed hour came and Damon did not show. Then suddenly in the nick of time he pops up and saves his friend. The king is so moved that he pardons Phintias, and they both live happily ever after. Touching. Frodo and sam's friendship, in my opinion follows these precendents and Tolkien, no doubt, drew on these stories. Either way, I have found alot of people unable to get their heads round such a deep friendship. Sad times indeed. __________________ nemo sine vitio est No one is without fault Amo discere linguam Latinam, potero enim docere eam. To see my face go hither http://46728074.home.icq.com/personal.html

10-22-2002, 01:13 PM	#52
Linarryl Elven Warrior Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 160	Kikki and Tebo are like that in Stubby. U probably don't know what I'm talking about do U?

09-28-2008, 06:47 PM	#53
Qoheleth Sapling Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2	Any list of "Great Friendships between Gentlemen and Their Servants" would have to include Bertie Wooster and Jeeves, from Sir P. G. Wodehouse's famous series of novels, and Bruce Wayne and Alfred Pennyworth, from the Batman mythos in all its variations. (Also, while we're on the subject of Wodehouse, let's not forget about Mike Jackson and Rupert Psmith, from Mike and Psmith.) If you extend the principle to include Wise Old Man and Young, Virile Companion, Li Kao and Number Ten Ox, from Barry Hughart's Bridge of Birds, also spring to mind. I was also a little surprised that no-one's mentioned Jack Aubrey and Stephen Maturin, of Patrick-O'Brien-sea-novel fame. Plus, of course, C. S. Lewis listed four classic pairs of friends in his book The Four Loves; David and Jonathan and Roland and Oliver appear to already have been mentioned, but no-one seems to have lighted on Pylades and Orestes (Aeschylus) and Amis and Amiles (12th-century French romance) yet. For my money, though, the greatest friendship in literature is only about 20 years old. It was chronicled over a span of ten years in one of the crowning achievements of 20th-century English-language literature, which was devoted almost exclusively to the friendship of the two principal characters. Granted, the work in question was a comic strip, and the two friends were a six-year-old boy and a tiger of indeterminate ontological standing, but still, can any other pair of literary comrades really claim to outdo Calvin and Hobbes?

09-29-2008, 06:17 PM	#54
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09-29-2008, 11:41 PM	#55
Midge Faithful Gardener Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: I walk here and there, they say... Posts: 3,603	I thought the example of "Where the Red Fern Grows" was a good one, though I think it would be more comparable to the relationship between the two dogs... Not that I'm saying that Frodo and Sam were like dogs. Honestly, I think Frodo loved Sam because Sam loved him. Sam was absolutely devoted to Frodo just because it was his duty; it was his commission. In the end, I do think they love each other equally. Sam does not love Frodo more or anything ridiculous like that. But in the beginning of their relationship (sometimes, anyway) it seems like Frodo is not that committed and only holds on because Sam continues to be there. __________________ In God I trust, I will not be afraid. What can man do to me? Psalm 56:11 "Starbuck, what do you hear?" "Nothin' but the rain, sir!" "Then grab your gun and bring in the cat." Make sure to check out the C.S. Lewis forum. Game threads, movie and book discussions and more!

09-30-2008, 07:11 PM	#56
Attalus Swan-Knight of Dol Amroth Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: On the Bay of Belfalas Posts: 1,125	Holmes and Watson, of course. Stephen Maturin and Jack Aubrey, for those who have not read those 21 volumes. Damon and Pythias. Gus and Call in Lonesome Dove Athos, Porthos, Aramis and D'Artagnan And, Sam was NOT a slave. __________________ "What song the Sirens sang, or what name Achilles assumed when he hid himself among women, though puzzling questions are not beyond conjecture." - Sir Thomas Browne, Urn Burial. Last edited by Attalus : 09-30-2008 at 07:15 PM. Reason: new idea

09-30-2008, 08:30 PM	#57
Jon S. Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 455	But he was a servant. __________________ Don't curse the darkness - light a candle.

10-01-2008, 11:25 AM	#59
Jon S. Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 455	Why do you think I said "but?" __________________ Don't curse the darkness - light a candle.

10-01-2008, 01:32 PM	#60
Attalus Swan-Knight of Dol Amroth Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: On the Bay of Belfalas Posts: 1,125	Ah. Point taken. __________________ "What song the Sirens sang, or what name Achilles assumed when he hid himself among women, though puzzling questions are not beyond conjecture." - Sir Thomas Browne, Urn Burial.

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