Election 2000 (Entmoot and otherwise...)

hmmm yes, It has gotten a bit off topic hasn't it? I'm not going to delete Abigail Adams or bmilder's posts about the elections. I felt that it was necessary to let them respond to Gil's serious accusation.

Also in response to Gil, I would like to post these quotes, and FACTS from an article I was reading.

Palm Beach County is a Democratic stronghold and has been at the
center of the struggle over the election. Democrats complain that the
county''s ballot was so confusing that many Gore voters mistakenly
voted for Reform Party candidate Pat Buchanan.

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Democrats said thousands of votes in Palm Beach County and
elsewhere in Florida may not have been counted because the tiny piece
of paper punched out for a candidate did not completely dislodge.

About 30,000 ballots were rejected in Palm Beach County alone
because they had two or more holes punched for president - or
computers didn''t detect any holes at all.

Its the age of technology and we're still "punching holes" sheesh

This will be the THIRD count. Enough is enough. Dead people voted in 1960, and Nixon was man enough to step down and say that he lost fair and square. Now we're haggling over punched holes. If Gore's gonna be a S.O.B about it, I say that the Republicans should cause some fuss in Wisconsin and Iowa(Where Democrats handed out cigarretes to homeless people to get them to vote for Gore.)

Give it up Al, even G.W. is smart enough to realize you lost!

"Palm Beach County is a Democratic stronghold"

Um... since when does that qualify as a fact?

Stupid question! I'm not one to say since when (because I'm so young). But IT IS NOW! I have several relatives living in Palm Beach County. Do you have any "Proof" to support your view, Johnny Lurker? All you have is republican quotes probally made by Bush himself who isn't very bright..................

"Do you have any "Proof" to support your view, Johnny Lurker?"

The views I've expressed in this thread are CONJECTURE.

AND THAT IS WHY I SAID, "(Standard disclaimer applies - everything in here is strictly IMO)"!

"IT IS NOW!"

Quoting a media report doesn't prove ****. Heck, even quoting numbers from the media doesn't work any longer, since the media's proven again and again that they don't know what the heck is going on.

"All you have is republican quotes"

Post proof or retract.

I think all of this recounting is very important. We shouldn't just give up and say Bush won. Everyone's vote should count, and if they don't, and if we give up, and Bush wins, we may never know if he really is our president. I think this should go on as long as it needs so we will truly know at the end who our leader is, and have no doubts.

I now accept the position of Vice President of Entmoot. Thank you HOBBIT. Can I get a title that says "Vice President", now?

I should really change my sig and pic.

Every vote does count! Even if you voted for Gore in TX, that STILL makes a difference. Gore is going to win the popular vote. Some idiot and Florida just said that they have til tommorow at 5 PM to count the votes.... Thats not enough time! They need til atleast Friday..

NT

Johnny Lurker, you don't live in this country. You're from Canada. I don't know the first thing about Canadian politics, and I don't expect you to be an expert on American politics. So don't don't pretend that you are. Contesting silly things like whether or not Palm Beach County is heavily Democratic is stupid. I have the feeling that if wrote 1=1 you'd be suspicious and demand proof .

I went to CNN and found an article from last week:
www.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLIT...index.html

Buchanan garnered 3,407 votes in the heavily Democratic county, which many observers claimed was highly unlikely.

They don't have opinions in news articles on CNN. Also, you could've just checked election results from that county to see that Gore won by a huge margin even with all the contested ballots uncounted.

MerloMo, you mention Richard Nixon in 1960. One major difference is that Gore seems to have won the national popular vote, and Nixon had lost that to Kennedy. Winning the popular vote provides the "legitimacy" for Gore's claims in Florida. Gore was the choice of the people in this country, and he also seems to be the choice of people in Florida, had they not been thwarted by confusing ballots, incompetent bureaucrats, and "hanging chads." Did you know that they still use paper ballots, and if you don't punch it completely through, it won't be counted? That's why a hand count is needed. If the little paper square (chad) is clearly detached on 3 corners, the machines might not catch it, but an actual person could.

The Florida Secretary of State is being ridiculously partisan by saying that the hand recounts need to be done by tomorrow. The absentee ballots don't even have to come in by Friday, so she can't certify it until then. A just solution is better than a swift solution. If people wanted to vote for Gore, their vote should be counted. Bush had the oppportunity to ask for a recount in Republican counties but didn't. Why not? I don't know; his loss. Bush is incredibly hypocritical as well; in fact, in 1997, Bush signed a law in Texas saying that manual recounts would be preferable to mechanical recounts! And the Republicans aren't complaining about the manual recount that gave Bush his lead in New Mexico. The Republicans should just let the most accurate count happen. I favor accuracy over speed, and I'm sure the majority of the electorate would agree with me.

Yes, you're right. Sadly, in an hour and fifteen minutes from now, the votes all have to be counted cuz the judge didn't extend the deadline (which is a bunch of bs).

"So don't don't pretend that you are."

If you think I'm being pretentious, great. Go ahead. I don't mind.

"Contesting silly things like whether or not Palm Beach County is heavily Democratic is stupid."

Did I contest it? Perhaps.

Or perhaps I simply pointed out that the media's claiming things as fact without proof - whether or not there is proof to back it up.

And no, I don't count freakin' exit polls as proof... those are simply moronic.

Guys, can this conversation about why America is screwed up please go to the American election thread? This is the place where we say YAY HOBBIT!!!

Yay HOBBIT! Yay new VP (me)!! Where's my title? Yay HOBBIT!

Are we back on topic yet?

I guess I should move my commentary over to the appropriate thread. I'm reading a lot of regurgitated anti-American pro-Gore propaganda here.

hmmmm I origninally said something like this "My opinion is that your opinion sucks!!" but i relized that saying that was very un-moderator like..... But i have to disagree with you!!

I guess I should move my commentary over to the appropriate thread. I'm reading a
lot of regurgitated anti-American pro-Gore propaganda here.

ANTI-AMERICAN?!??!?!? How can you say that?! We are allowed to have our own opinion in the US! Just because i think your opinion on the matter SUCKS BIG TIME doesn't mean that your are being anti-american! You are a republican! So DUH your point of view is different. That doesn't make it right..

. *Nevermind*

"Anti-American" as in support for doing away with our
constitutional republic and the rule of law. I've explained
it past the point of irritation.

I don't care what any
ignorant folk think of my opinion. I'm not a Republican, as
I've made clear on previous occassions.

But I see Al
Gore trashing what little good will remained in this nation and
attempting to destroy the very fabric of our law.

Why
do you city-folk support this?

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