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Ñólendil · 11-15-2001, 11:13 PM

Okay, this question is going to sound very ... hmm ... well, dumb. Just remember, there are no dumb questions, just .. on second thought, there are dumb questions.

Are the Nine Walkers ever actually called the Fellowship in narrative? More often they are called the Company of the Ring, I don't recall a time when 'Fellowship' is used. Was 'Fellowship' used, then, because it might apply to the 'fellowship of the Ring' in Book I? This would be Frodo, Pippin and Sam before Crickhollow, and afterwards Merry would be a part, and the only permanent companions to Rivendell after that would be Aragorn and Glorfindel.

[rant=]I think the Lord of the Rings must be about the Lord of the Rings. Sauron, the Dark Lord. Because the romance is not called The Rings of the Lord, or The Rings of the Dark Lord, but the Lord of the Rings. Funny that, a 2000 + page story about a character who we never see in narrative -- except his spirit, once, briefly. If the Lord of the Rings is about Sauron, then maybe the Silmarillion ought to be about Melkor. Should the Quenta Silmarillion be called the Dark Enemy? He exists throughout the Quenta Silmarillion, unlike the Silmarilli themselves. Or maybe the book could be called The Enemy and the Jewels.[/rant]

Kirinki54 · 11-16-2001, 11:31 AM

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Originally posted by Inoldonil
of the Rings. Sauron, the Dark Lord. Because the romance is not called The Rings of the Lord, or The Rings of the Dark Lord, but the Lord of the Rings. Funny that, a 2000 + page story about a character who we never see in narrative -- except his spirit, once, briefly.

Suppose the title refers to whom would in the end BECOME the Lord of the Rings, that is the final holder of the One of course? There were some different possibilities in the books. Like the Hobbits, Saruman, Boromir....

Or is this a DUMB suggestion...

Wayfarer · 11-16-2001, 01:35 PM

No... that makes sense.

Play Girl · 11-16-2001, 04:03 PM

Isn't Frodo called Lord of the Ring in the First book at Rivendell?
Play Girl
xxx

Wayfarer · 11-16-2001, 04:05 PM

Yes. I believe it was pippen that said that. Right before gandalf flamed him.

Ñólendil · 11-16-2001, 07:40 PM

And Gandalf told Frodo at that point that Sauron was the Lord of the Ring, not Frodo. It's not a dumb suggestion, but no one else became the Lord of the Ring or the Lord of the Rings. It was Sauron, and then it was nobody (when the Ring was destroyed).

Niphredoodah · 11-16-2001, 11:51 PM

Are the Nine Walkers ever actually called the Fellowship in narrative? More often they are called the Company of the Ring, I don't recall a time when 'Fellowship' is used.

Does Aragorn say at Rauros, "What shall now become of our fellowship that has travelled so far together?"? Or is it " ... our company that has travelled so far in fellowship"? I'd have to look it up.

11-15-2001, 11:13 PM	#41
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	Okay, this question is going to sound very ... hmm ... well, dumb. Just remember, there are no dumb questions, just .. on second thought, there are dumb questions. Are the Nine Walkers ever actually called the Fellowship in narrative? More often they are called the Company of the Ring, I don't recall a time when 'Fellowship' is used. Was 'Fellowship' used, then, because it might apply to the 'fellowship of the Ring' in Book I? This would be Frodo, Pippin and Sam before Crickhollow, and afterwards Merry would be a part, and the only permanent companions to Rivendell after that would be Aragorn and Glorfindel. [rant=]I think the Lord of the Rings must be about the Lord of the Rings. Sauron, the Dark Lord. Because the romance is not called The Rings of the Lord, or The Rings of the Dark Lord, but the Lord of the Rings. Funny that, a 2000 + page story about a character who we never see in narrative -- except his spirit, once, briefly. If the Lord of the Rings is about Sauron, then maybe the Silmarillion ought to be about Melkor. Should the Quenta Silmarillion be called the Dark Enemy? He exists throughout the Quenta Silmarillion, unlike the Silmarilli themselves. Or maybe the book could be called The Enemy and the Jewels.[/rant] __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

11-16-2001, 01:35 PM	#43
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	No... that makes sense. __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

11-16-2001, 04:03 PM	#44
Play Girl Elven Warrior Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: If I told you I would have to kill you Posts: 159	Isn't Frodo called Lord of the Ring in the First book at Rivendell? Play Girl xxx __________________ "Off the Record On the Q-T And very HUSH HUSH" Frodo lives!

11-16-2001, 04:05 PM	#45
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	Yes. I believe it was pippen that said that. Right before gandalf flamed him. __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

11-16-2001, 07:40 PM	#46
Ñólendil Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: California Posts: 60,865	And Gandalf told Frodo at that point that Sauron was the Lord of the Ring, not Frodo. It's not a dumb suggestion, but no one else became the Lord of the Ring or the Lord of the Rings. It was Sauron, and then it was nobody (when the Ring was destroyed). __________________ Falmon -- Dylan

11-16-2001, 11:51 PM	#47
Niphredoodah Sapling Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 7	Are the Nine Walkers ever actually called the Fellowship in narrative? More often they are called the Company of the Ring, I don't recall a time when 'Fellowship' is used. Does Aragorn say at Rauros, "What shall now become of our fellowship that has travelled so far together?"? Or is it " ... our company that has travelled so far in fellowship"? I'd have to look it up. __________________ "When that mine eyes did see Elijah first Methought he purg'd the air of molecules."

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