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It was just a lucky (for you) coincidence that you were born there and not in Afghanistan.
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You are proud of what your fellow compatriots have accomplished, you are proud of living in the same nation as they do and you are proud of being one of them (doesn't matter if you have not accomplished anything yourself because there is a difference in being proud of your citizenship, and being proud of yourself for something you have done).
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I pay taxes, follow the laws, and vote, Lalaith. My citizenship is a birthright though. I "wasn't" born in Afghanistan, was I! You are who you are...make the most of it while you can!
JD has tirelessly promoted the USA and certainly deserves some kind of red white and blue soapbox award, He's done more than many to "embellish" his birthright as a US citizen. You do not have to "earn" your past, but respecting it would certainly be a nice, appreciative gesture.
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"hear, hear".
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Im just saying about my mum friend she applied to come over for a visting visa or summet and they turned her away! Im sure you do let the odd russian i mean look at Korinikova
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That's funny! (vote Lalaith!) Maybe I better go back with a comma here!
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Sorry, but if that is the case, it is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. You do not have to be on the front lines of a war, or in a governmental position to be proud of your country. That's like saying: Gee, my kids are great students and accomplished in many things, but I'm not proud, because I didn't do the work. You contributed to their achievements by raising them to be accomplished. Same with pride in ones country. I don't have to Be president, a soldier, or any kind of government leader, for that. Like Lizra said: I pay taxes, follow the laws, and vote. That is a contribution. In the US, it is the people that rule, not the government.
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"S.G.H." well said.
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I mean i dont play for the England Rugby team but im proud we are the best in the world and i dont play for the English Cricket team either but im still ashamed of them and its a kibda mixed bag for the football team (who lets that Hesky fella near a shirt?)
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Sween, it's odd that your mother's friend was turned away. The US lets Russian immigrants in daily. That is very odd, indeed.
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IN THE US .... well we have that in Europe too. You are not the only free people in the world. There are other people who pay taxes and follow the rules too, but they don't have the citizenship .... so are they not the same just because they were not born there?
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I am proud of this country as a US ciitizen. Like SGH said - the US is not the govenment - the government is the people and the country is the people. As a citizen of this country - I have had an influence on it. I can be proud of what the US has accomplished through the years.
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I know that I live in a free country so I actually don't care what others think. JD, I don't know if you can ban books in Austria (sorry, for my not excisting knowledge, I'll ask my political education teacher in autumn). I can imagine that you can do so. But I know why books could be banned. You know that Austria has a bad history full of Nazis and all that bad things. So there are laws that forbid all actions towards that (sorry, I can't explain it better, lack of vocabulary). You are eg not allowed to say that Hitler was good in public, you are not allowed to re-build the SS or the NSDAP or any other political formation who came from Hitler. So I can imagine that especially books with that topic can be banned. So we don't understand each other. What's the deal. You have your opinion, I have mine. Okay. Your opinion - Just a different point of view! But is it that easy to get the US citizenship? I doubt it. Maybe we have things the seem to "reduce our freedom", but there other things which I consider much more important and proof of freedom. We have eg a very good social system and many other "free" lands don't have that. If something happens to me I can trust on our system that they will may for the hospital and everything needed. That's freedom for me. Not to be totally ruined if something unexpected happens. Do you have a very good social system?
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