From Movie to Book - Page 3

Rei · 08-18-2002, 11:38 AM

It was the same voice they used for Sauron so I think it was supposed to be symbolic of her touching the power of the ring and what she would have become if she took if from Frodo.

But I agree, it was very weird.

entss89 · 08-18-2002, 02:16 PM

THAT IS SO SAD IF SOMEONE SAW THE MOVIE FIRST BECAUSE I KNOW HOW GOOD THE BOOK WAS BUT IF YOU SEE THE MOVIE FIRST IT RUINS EVERYTHING! BUT DON'T GET ME WRONG I LOVE THE MOVIE AS MUCH AS THE NEXT KID DOES BUT IT IS JUST ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I GUESS YOU CANT HELP IT AFTER YOU DONE IT, WELL LATER AND BYE BYE!

markedel · 08-18-2002, 07:42 PM

I read the book first. The worse change isn't the cut outs or arwen, it's making Aragorn conflicted when he manifestly is not.

Sanna · 08-18-2002, 10:42 PM

I don't think it's such a horrible thing to have seen the movie first. I mean, there are probably hundreds or maybe even thousands of people out there who went out and read the book just because they saw the movie, and otherwise they may have never read it. And the only major influence that I had from seeing the movie first was that I had faces and voices ready to put to character. Plus, the movie covers only the first chapter, and so everything else is still pretty new. Anyway, it's such a wonderful story that it is capable of rising above any misrepresentations or faults demonstrated in the film. The book stands alone, regardless of the movie, because the book is 100 times better.

BeardofPants · 08-18-2002, 11:24 PM

I was a bit worried that the movie version would impinge it's images upon mine. Thus far, it hasn't, but then again, I've got a terrible imagination. It's been a while since I visualised any of the characters, or places.

entss89 · 08-22-2002, 06:04 PM

how dare they see the movie first!

entss89 · 08-22-2002, 08:17 PM

SHAME ON YOU!

markedel · 08-22-2002, 08:19 PM

One interesting difference is that Isildur is made to be much worse in the movie then in the book. I wonder why this was done, especially since Isildur wasn't focused on at all in the book.

niggle · 08-22-2002, 10:35 PM

In the book at the Council of Elrond we learn that Isildur took the ring and would not destroy it despite the advice of Elrond and Cirdan. Just being told works ok in the book, since we can infer that the power of the ring is at work to prevent its own destruction. We learn later (in the appendices) that Isildur is extremely powerful and possibly has some magic of his own since before possessing the ring he has already cursed the men of Dunharrow into decline and death for not obeying his summons to fight against Sauron.

There is not enough time in the movie (particularly in what amounts to a recap of events far in the past) to explain all this, and so we have to see Isildur falling rapidly under the spell of the ring to make his refusal to destroy it plausible. In reality he probably resisted its spell almost as well as Frodo. In my view this was a necessary compromise to make events believable - I don't have that much of a problem with it. Isidur's supposed frailty also makes Aragorn's own self-doubt (how can I succeed where Isildur failed) more realistic, and helps explain Elrond's own fulminations against the weakness of the race of men.

Sween · 08-23-2002, 06:02 AM

Isildur does come across as eveilish in the movie but they had to show how the ring effects people so quickly. Plus the ring was just about at its strongest then. This relate to a thead about could anyone willingly destroy the ring and the answer is probably no. The only way anyone could possiably destroy the ring is if it were handed to a hobbit for the first time on the cracks of doom he could probably of thrown it in.

I like the way aragorn is in the movie much better than in the first two books. Aragorn does not get to show his quality till he wont enter gondor till he has defeated sauron. Up till then he would transfer as been a bit arogant.

Elenka · 08-24-2002, 06:35 PM

I saw the movie and then read the book...and I don't think it altered the way I thought of the book because I'd seen the movie. It just made me mad because they changed so much in the movie...

Sween · 08-24-2002, 06:40 PM

i saw the movie first and all the changes that were made i can see why they are made. if anything i wish i hadnt read the book because i know from now on im just gonna be going well thats diffrent from the book as the saying goes ignorance is bliss

LuthienTinuviel · 08-26-2002, 09:27 PM

remember it's the movies, EVERYTHING moves quickly..

well everything that has a decent plot that is.

markedel · 08-26-2002, 09:53 PM

On the other hand you appreciate he book far less after seeing the movie first.

samwiselvr2008 · 08-28-2002, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by markedel
On the other hand you appreciate he book far less after seeing the movie first.

I saw the movie first, and I apresiate Tolkien's work more then Peter Jackson's, and I don't think that I would have liked it anymore if I had read the book first!

***IronParrot*** · 09-30-2002, 02:52 PM

(Bringing this thread up top again...)

Black Breathalizer · 10-01-2002, 01:59 PM

I apologize in advance for this off-topic post about IronParrot's decision to bring this thread back from the dead to replace Dunadan's.

Should a thread which mirrors another existing thread within a one or two week period be closed? Absolutely. No one would disagree with that.

Should a thread be closed that is similar to one last posted to...in JULY?!?!?!?

Personally, I think this action was unnecessary and a little harsh to Dunadan.

As a board administrator myself, I've always considered the number one rule of board moderating to be: When in doubt, do nothing.

olsonm · 10-01-2002, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Black Breathalizer
Should a thread be closed that is similar to one last posted to...in JULY?!?!?!?

Actually the last post to this thread was only a month ago. (8/28/02) I think IP was well within normal procedures for this board. Of course, I'm a little biased since I started this thread.

Black Breathalizer · 10-01-2002, 02:13 PM

My apologies to your buddy.

Since it's been only a month since the last post to this thread, that changes everything.

Dunadan · 10-01-2002, 02:35 PM

Thanks, BB, but I thought it was reasonable to indicate a recent thread on the topic.

When I get time I'll have a read through these and see where it leaves my original question. In a multimedia world I think it's really interesting how people view the same stuff in different formats, which I think is different from a "Book vs Film" debate.

I run several email discussion lists myself and appreciate the efforts of admins and moderators everywhere.

cheers

D

08-18-2002, 11:38 AM	#41
Rei Elven Warrior Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hades....it's a tough job but someone's gotta do it Posts: 182	It was the same voice they used for Sauron so I think it was supposed to be symbolic of her touching the power of the ring and what she would have become if she took if from Frodo. But I agree, it was very weird. __________________ ______________________________ ------------------------------------------------ Seek for the Sword that was broken: In Imladris it dwells; There shall be counsels taken Stronger than Morgul-spells. There shall be shown a token That doom is near at hand For Isildur's Bane shall waken, And the Halfling forth shall stand. ______________________________ ------------------------------------------------ Whoo-hooo!!! I'm an Elven Warrior!!!!! Last edited by Rei : 08-18-2002 at 11:40 AM.

08-18-2002, 02:16 PM	#42
entss89 lord of the ents Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: nc Posts: 539	OHHHHHHHHHHHH MY GOODNESS! THAT IS SO SAD IF SOMEONE SAW THE MOVIE FIRST BECAUSE I KNOW HOW GOOD THE BOOK WAS BUT IF YOU SEE THE MOVIE FIRST IT RUINS EVERYTHING! BUT DON'T GET ME WRONG I LOVE THE MOVIE AS MUCH AS THE NEXT KID DOES BUT IT IS JUST ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I GUESS YOU CANT HELP IT AFTER YOU DONE IT, WELL LATER AND BYE BYE!

08-18-2002, 07:42 PM	#43
markedel 'Sober' Mullet Frosh Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Queen's Posts: 1,245	I read the book first. The worse change isn't the cut outs or arwen, it's making Aragorn conflicted when he manifestly is not. __________________ "Earnur was a man like his father in valour, but not in wisdom"

08-18-2002, 10:42 PM	#44
Sanna Hobbit Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Kansas Posts: 20	Movie first I don't think it's such a horrible thing to have seen the movie first. I mean, there are probably hundreds or maybe even thousands of people out there who went out and read the book just because they saw the movie, and otherwise they may have never read it. And the only major influence that I had from seeing the movie first was that I had faces and voices ready to put to character. Plus, the movie covers only the first chapter, and so everything else is still pretty new. Anyway, it's such a wonderful story that it is capable of rising above any misrepresentations or faults demonstrated in the film. The book stands alone, regardless of the movie, because the book is 100 times better.

08-18-2002, 11:24 PM	#45
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	I was a bit worried that the movie version would impinge it's images upon mine. Thus far, it hasn't, but then again, I've got a terrible imagination. It's been a while since I visualised any of the characters, or places. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

08-22-2002, 06:04 PM	#46
entss89 lord of the ents Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: nc Posts: 539	hi how dare they see the movie first!

08-22-2002, 08:17 PM	#47
entss89 lord of the ents Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: nc Posts: 539	HI SHAME ON YOU!

08-22-2002, 08:19 PM	#48
markedel 'Sober' Mullet Frosh Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Queen's Posts: 1,245	One interesting difference is that Isildur is made to be much worse in the movie then in the book. I wonder why this was done, especially since Isildur wasn't focused on at all in the book. __________________ "Earnur was a man like his father in valour, but not in wisdom"

08-22-2002, 10:35 PM	#49
niggle Hobbit Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 18	In the book at the Council of Elrond we learn that Isildur took the ring and would not destroy it despite the advice of Elrond and Cirdan. Just being told works ok in the book, since we can infer that the power of the ring is at work to prevent its own destruction. We learn later (in the appendices) that Isildur is extremely powerful and possibly has some magic of his own since before possessing the ring he has already cursed the men of Dunharrow into decline and death for not obeying his summons to fight against Sauron. There is not enough time in the movie (particularly in what amounts to a recap of events far in the past) to explain all this, and so we have to see Isildur falling rapidly under the spell of the ring to make his refusal to destroy it plausible. In reality he probably resisted its spell almost as well as Frodo. In my view this was a necessary compromise to make events believable - I don't have that much of a problem with it. Isidur's supposed frailty also makes Aragorn's own self-doubt (how can I succeed where Isildur failed) more realistic, and helps explain Elrond's own fulminations against the weakness of the race of men.

08-23-2002, 06:02 AM	#50
Sween im quite stupid Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cockermouth Posts: 2,058	Isildur does come across as eveilish in the movie but they had to show how the ring effects people so quickly. Plus the ring was just about at its strongest then. This relate to a thead about could anyone willingly destroy the ring and the answer is probably no. The only way anyone could possiably destroy the ring is if it were handed to a hobbit for the first time on the cracks of doom he could probably of thrown it in. I like the way aragorn is in the movie much better than in the first two books. Aragorn does not get to show his quality till he wont enter gondor till he has defeated sauron. Up till then he would transfer as been a bit arogant. __________________ Yeah god hes ok but i would rather be judged by a sheep than that idiot

08-24-2002, 06:35 PM	#51
Elenka The Negative Soul of Entmoot Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Middle Distance Posts: 651	I saw the movie and then read the book...and I don't think it altered the way I thought of the book because I'd seen the movie. It just made me mad because they changed so much in the movie... __________________ W00T for the M00T!! War doesn't determine who is right - war determines who is left.

08-24-2002, 06:40 PM	#52
Sween im quite stupid Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cockermouth Posts: 2,058	i saw the movie first and all the changes that were made i can see why they are made. if anything i wish i hadnt read the book because i know from now on im just gonna be going well thats diffrent from the book as the saying goes ignorance is bliss __________________ Yeah god hes ok but i would rather be judged by a sheep than that idiot

08-26-2002, 09:27 PM	#53
LuthienTinuviel protector of orphaned rabbits Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Kalamazoo... yes, its a real place! Posts: 1,236	remember it's the movies, EVERYTHING moves quickly.. well everything that has a decent plot that is. __________________

08-26-2002, 09:53 PM	#54
markedel 'Sober' Mullet Frosh Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Queen's Posts: 1,245	On the other hand you appreciate he book far less after seeing the movie first. __________________ "Earnur was a man like his father in valour, but not in wisdom"

09-30-2002, 02:52 PM	#56
*IronParrot* Fowl Administrator Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Calgary or Edmonton, Canada Posts: 53,420	(Bringing this thread up top again...) __________________ All of IronParrot's posts are guaranteed to be 100% intelligent and/or sarcastic, comprising no genetically modified content and tested on no cute furry little animals unless the SPCA is looking elsewhere. If you observe a failure to uphold this warranty, please contact a forum administrator immediately to receive a full refund on your Entmoot registration. Blog: Nick's Café Canadien

10-01-2002, 01:59 PM	#57
Black Breathalizer Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 828	I apologize in advance for this off-topic post about IronParrot's decision to bring this thread back from the dead to replace Dunadan's. Should a thread which mirrors another existing thread within a one or two week period be closed? Absolutely. No one would disagree with that. Should a thread be closed that is similar to one last posted to...in JULY?!?!?!? Personally, I think this action was unnecessary and a little harsh to Dunadan. As a board administrator myself, I've always considered the number one rule of board moderating to be: When in doubt, do nothing.

10-01-2002, 02:13 PM	#59
Black Breathalizer Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 828	My apologies to your buddy. Since it's been only a month since the last post to this thread, that changes everything.

10-01-2002, 02:35 PM	#60
Dunadan The Quite Querulous Quendi Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oxon, UK Posts: 638	Thanks, BB, but I thought it was reasonable to indicate a recent thread on the topic. When I get time I'll have a read through these and see where it leaves my original question. In a multimedia world I think it's really interesting how people view the same stuff in different formats, which I think is different from a "Book vs Film" debate. I run several email discussion lists myself and appreciate the efforts of admins and moderators everywhere. cheers D Last edited by Dunadan : 10-01-2002 at 02:48 PM.

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