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I know I won't be able to see the movie in the theater; I might see it at home when it's released on DVD. I just have a terrible problem with movie gore - LOTR type gore is about as much as I can take. I would probably pass out seeing Gibson's film. But I think it's important to depict that it WAS a terrible thing that Jesus went though, esp. because He was completely innocent of any sin, and ESPECIALLY because he could have called legions of angels to His aid at any time (or just cut out on His own power - remember that story about His mere word knocked down the soldiers, then He let Himself be taken - it was indeed a voluntary goal of His to complete His mission.) I'll be interested to see the Mooter's reviews here, tho. A friend of mine has already seen it (he's in the movie industry) and said it was great. And isn't it odd how people can forget that Jesus was a Jew? Mel may think (incorrectly, IMO) that non-Catholic Christians may "burn in hell", but I'm sure he doesn't desire this fate for them, or anyone else, for that matter, and I think spending mega-millions of his own money for this movie reflects that.
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So then Im guessing I wont be seeing Mad Max: The Final Chapter in my life time then....
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I will be seeing this movie when it comes out.
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If you really want to get technical, the Romans are the ones who actually killed him.
Gibson payed attention to the jews who were getting uptight, and, the hand that drives the nail in, in the film...is Mel's. he's basically saying that he killed Christ.
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Another note: We had this debate in my religion class today. At one point, I brought up that the Jews who are scolding Gibson don't know what they're talking about, because they think he fabricated the idea of Jews playing a part in the whole thing, when he actually did find it in the New Testament, which they have no business reading, and therefore no business arguing about. My teacher called me anti-semitic, but I think she's wrong. Can someone tell me if they agree with her?
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Well, it appears Mel may get the feminists all in a tizz as well. Satan is portrayed as a woman. She is cloaked and hooded, bald and shaved eyebrows. She doesn't speak but in one scene a snake slithers from under her robe towards Jesus. She is always slinking in the background. I'm sure he doesn't mean it against females though!
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Mel's dad made a TV appearance, recently, and he's not going to help his son out at all with this argument. He basically said that the Holocaust never happened, and was really and truly anti-semetic. I think he intended to help Mel fend off the accusations, but he just stregnthened them by showing that he was raised in hatred for Jews. What a dumb guy.
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Jesus was in the hands of the Roman authorities who ruled the land (altho only with His own permission, as I said before) - so I would say technically the Romans put Him to death. But the Jewish leaders were certainly bugging the Romans to do this. But there would have been NO death of Jesus except for the fact that everyone sins and is unable to avoid the penalty, and only Jesus could pay it, and did.
Has anyone else heard anything about that the movie will not be shown in France?
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That this is "a mere statement of fact" is one of the points under contention. As for the Jews having no business arguing about the New Testament, since the New Testament is exactly the basis on which Christians spent a couple of thousand years murdering, massacring, pillaging and raping them, not to mention confining them in ghettos, passing laws discriminating against them, now and then driving them out of their homes and stealing everything they owned, etc. etc., I would think that they certainly do have business reading it. I mean, you guys are all tolerant now, but there have been periods of toleration before- who knows when the pendulum may swing back, and the Christians once again decide that the Jews are collectively guilty for the death of Jesus. Better be prepared, ne?
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Plus most of the issues you mentioned sound much more recent to me, and I'm trying to separate modern Jews from ye olde in ancient Rome.
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I would think that most Jews are very well educated about the Blood Libel- they've had to be.
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Let me expand- I would assume that most Jews neither know nor particularly care about the details of the New Testament; but that they do know and care very much about this particular issue- " the Jews killed Christ" - because of the suffering they have undergone at the hands of Christians based on this point.
A similar case would be Hindus in Northern India- they may not know much about the Koran, but they do know that it calls them idolaters and was used as a justification for invasion and slaughter.
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People are all in a tizzy because it has been rated R16 for gratuitous violence. The weird thing is that there are all these christians complaining, because they won't be able to take the kids... say what? *twitch*
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