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But on the plus side you could post on Entmoot any time you get bored(school)
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All you have done is just basically said I don't like the technical use of the word so I'll replace it with definitions I prefer to make biotech seem "different" that it is. To follow along with your analogies A sail boat harnesses the use of the wind. With jets we create our own thrust. Its just a similar idea but with forces of modern technology applied to it. The definitions that I mentioned above were culled from biotech sources which were explaining what biotech was. Direct genetic manipulation is just one aspect of it.
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Jets are again another level of technology. Aereonautics. But look! they have the same root! Nautical. Certainly they are descended from each other, you can rank them in a historical or heirarchical order, but to imply that they are the same level of technology is rather misleading. Quote:
However when people say biotechnology, and begin to discuss things like ethical implications, it's generally presumed that they are talking about genetic engineering. Perhaps we should have just stuck to that term to avoid confusion.
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How did it ever become called biotechnology anyway. It's weak. Geneticists... you no what part of biology they operate in. Biotechnology sounds like they are working on organic computers or something. Why worry about levels and degrees of the topic and get back to the topic.
Yes, Blackheart you ARE picky that way. I'd yhink I was an imposter otherwise. Hey, I like that im- poster. So, is eugenics ethical if it is the only way to save the human race and repopulate the world with the fading natural species we love (I'll miss orange roughy!)
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Define ethical If it was the ONLY way to save the human race, I'd imagine we screwed up somewhere pretty badly along the way.... However as for repopulation, it's problematic. In order to produce a viable population, you need a fair amount of genetic diversity. Unless we discover some way to reproduce that diversity, a bunch of cloned tigers aren't going to do much good
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05-25-2002, 01:52 PM | #51 |
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I have this to say:
The danger factor of any emerging technology is roughly proportional to the numnber of suspense novels that utilize it. I recently read a (pretty good) book called Mount Dragon, which revolved around, of all things, influenza. Some scientists, in trying to cure the flu, produce a severely lethal variant. It's pretty scary to think that something lit that could happen.
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And yes, youse guys is screwing up badly.
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Just because you can't see them doesn't mean they ain't there. It's always possible that another strain of influenza or pox will come along a decimate a few of the less hardy individuals. And competition for resources, while not as ... vigorous... is still happening on a regular basis. Don't forget, there IS a world out there that is NON-WESTERN. Selection factors effect them all the time.
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The conflicts in the non western world are one of the largest sources of the poverty and disease. Starvation and disease kill far more people than bullets, or swords, they always have, and likely will do so for a long time. War is hell, always has been, and when it gets sanitized to the point where it isn't, then we'll have to think up a new name for it. It spreads new strains of diseases, disrupts social patterns, destroys stable cultural insitutions, decimates the population (especially the "working" population), removes land from agricultural production, promotes consrcription of men and food supplies, and incidentially, kills people directly and indirectly involved in it. Whether it's "tribal" conflict or conflict on a nationalist/ethnic scale, I'd say it's definately the biggest selector. War is all about competition for resources, in the broadest sense.
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*slips in big pool of oil* The Vietnam war was about rubber (w/ The French in first). hehe, rubber The scope and origins of war a varied. Civil wars and border disputes are symptoms of othe problems. War causes problems, sure, but problems like hunger and poverty certainly cause wars as well. Usually wars are about money and power.
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I KNOW that. I meant that it's no longer the sole cause.
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Name another cause then, ]: )
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Thank you simon bar-sinister.
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