10-18-2007, 04:12 AM | #41 |
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I'm also envious... the first book is just amazing in terms of its scope & imagination.
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10-19-2007, 12:14 PM | #42 |
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So I heard from a certian pants master and frog mod
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10-19-2007, 01:22 PM | #43 |
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And I'm NEVER wrong.
*dances the I-AM-SO-RIGHT-I-AM-SOOOO-RIGHT chicken dance
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10-19-2007, 01:27 PM | #44 |
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Um. Right. What she said.
I'll be fair and say I did have a tiny number of problems with the trilogy. But on scenery, ideas and imagination, it was magnificent.
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10-19-2007, 02:27 PM | #45 |
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Acalewia- Warning!! SPOILERS!!!
I loved the first book, enjoyed the second and was disappointed with the third, but then I read them at age 50- I would have totally loved them at 12, in the first awakening of my militant atheism. But, to my thinking, there is a serious moral flaw running right through the heart of the Trilogy, which becomes manifest at the end of the first book. Lord Asriel severs Roger Parslow from his daemon order to release the energy needed to open the gates between worlds. In Lyra's world, this is the worst of crimes; far worse than murder because it destroys the soul- yet even after that, through the next two books, the characters take the side of Asriel and his war to overthrow Authority and establish the Republic of Heaven. Asriel is seen as personally corrupted by his actions, but his cause is still seen as righteous. Wordsworth wrote of the French Revolution: OH! pleasant exercise of hope and joy! For mighty were the auxiliars which then stood Upon our side, we who were strong in love! Bliss was it in that dawn to be alive, But to be young was very heaven!-- And that is Pullman's attitude- but the Fall of the Bastille was followed by the Reign of Terror; the Storming of the Winter Palace by the Gulag; the Long March by the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution; Year Zero by the Killing Fields. Lenin said "You can't make an omelette without breaking eggs", but Dosteovsky wrote that if you could produce Paradise on Earth by torturing a single child, it would still be wrong; Ursula LeGuin took the same view in "The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas". In "1984" Winston Smith is forced to listen to a recording of himself vowing to do anything to overthrow Big Brother- even throw acid in the face of a child. O'Brian, the Inner Part inquisitor, then asks him what the difference is between him and the system he is seeking to overthrow. Lyra, and later, Will, and all the others who joined in the Noble Cause should have rejected it right then and there. Or,as Pete Townshend put it: We'll be fighting in the streets With our children at our feet And the morals that they worship will be gone And the men who spurred us on Sit in judgment of all wrong They decide and the shotgun sings the song I'll tip my hat to the new constitution Take a bow for the new revolution Smile and grin at the change all around Pick up my guitar and play Just like yesterday Then I'll get on my knees and pray We don't get fooled again The change, it had to come We knew it all along We were liberated from the fold, that's all And the world looks just the same And history ain't changed 'Cause the banners, they are flown in the next war I'll tip my hat to the new constitution Take a bow for the new revolution Smile and grin at the change all around Pick up my guitar and play Just like yesterday Then I'll get on my knees and pray We don't get fooled again No, no! I'll move myself and my family aside If we happen to be left half alive I'll get all my papers and smile at the sky Though I know that the hypnotized never lie Do ya? There's nothing in the streets Looks any different to me And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye And the parting on the left Are now parting on the right And the beards have all grown longer overnight I'll tip my hat to the new constitution Take a bow for the new revolution Smile and grin at the change all around Pick up my guitar and play Just like yesterday Then I'll get on my knees and pray We don't get fooled again Don't get fooled again No, no! Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! Meet the new boss Same as the old boss
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10-19-2007, 06:22 PM | #46 |
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Outstanding post, GM!
You rock. http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a39...e9/rockout.jpg (EDIT: Hey, I put IMG tags around that pic and it doesnt display ) Last edited by The Gaffer : 10-19-2007 at 06:24 PM. |
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10-22-2007, 08:24 PM | #49 |
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You guys do know what spoiler tags are right? I'm having to skip over some of the posts. I'm glad you warned me that your post had spoilers, GM
I'm on Chapter three now. It's just getting better and better
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10-22-2007, 09:20 PM | #51 |
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[Spoiler*]text[/spoiler*]
Of course without the astrik
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10-22-2007, 09:28 PM | #52 |
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I keep meaning to read these books... I'll have to try to remember these over my christmas break .
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10-23-2007, 07:16 PM | #53 |
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Do read. So far the first one is awesome
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11-05-2007, 09:25 PM | #54 |
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oK..I think i might check it out
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11-08-2007, 09:15 PM | #55 |
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I finished GC. I loved it! I'll start the next book as soon as I have time to pick up a book
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11-28-2007, 10:55 PM | #56 |
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I finished SK the other day. Great cliffhanger. I really don't have time at the moment to start AS
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