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04-04-2005, 12:28 PM | #44 |
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For JD and the role of the Monarch in CoE!
I had to put Church before Charles, says the Queen By Andrew Alderson, Chief Reporter THE TELEGRAPH LONDON (4/3/2005)--The Queen has let it be known that the reason she will not be attending the wedding of the Prince of Wales is because she is putting her duties as the head of the Church of England before family feelings. Heads together: the Queen takes her religious role very seriously She has told a friend that she feels it incompatible with her role as Supreme Governor of the Church to attend a civil marriage ceremony, particularly one involving the heir to the throne. She does not want to set a precedent that could damage the Church of England. "I am not able to go. I do not feel that my position [as Supreme Governor of the Church] permits it," the Queen told her friend. Until now, it has been unclear why the Queen declined to attend the wedding of Prince Charles and Camilla Parker Bowles in Windsor on Friday. It has been widely reported that the Queen would boycott the ceremony in the Guildhall because she did not want to attend a humiliating "town hall" service, but the real reason can now be revealed. The Queen privately disapproves of the 33-year on-off relationship between Prince Charles and Mrs Parker Bowles and feels that her eldest son has put personal concerns before duty. The Queen's friend told The Telegraph that Her Majesty had been disappointed that her decision not to attend the wedding had been portrayed as a "snub" to the couple when this is not the case. "The Queen feels she has to put her role with the Church before her role as a mother," said the friend. A senior royal official said: "The Queen takes her position as Supreme Governor of the Church of England incredibly seriously. She also has great personal faith." Three senior courtiers told The Telegraph this weekend that the Queen had already informed Prince Charles that she would not be attending the civil ceremony even when he planned to hold it within Windsor Castle. The venue was switched in late February because of problems with using the castle. One senior royal aide said: "The venue was never the issue for the Queen. The civil nature of the service is the issue. She did not feel it was appropriate for her to attend." The Queen is attending the later service of dedication conducted by Dr Rowan Williams, the Archbishop of Canterbury. She is also hosting a wedding reception for more than 700 guests. Royal officials do not believe that the Queen has ever attended a civil wedding service during her 53-year reign. It is also believed to be the first time that an heir to the throne has been married in a civil service. Some constitutional lawyers have questioned whether it is legal. The explanation from Buckingham Palace about the non-attendance of the Queen and Prince Philip is that Prince Charles and Mrs Parker Bowles wanted a "low-key" ceremony. This has always been unconvincing, particularly after it was announced that the Princess Royal, the Duke of York and the Earl of Wessex would attend. One senior royal aide said that the Queen felt it would be undignified to spell out in a public statement her personal reasons for not attending the wedding. It might also be seen as implied criticism of Prince Charles, who will be the next Supreme Governor of the Church of England when he becomes king. Hugo Vickers, a prolific author on the Royal Family who is writing a biography of the late Queen Mother, said that the Queen had never, to his knowledge, attended a civil ceremony. "She is quite right not to attend - she is the head of the Church of England, after all. It never occurred to me that she would attend the register office ceremony and when people talk about it being a snub, it's nonsense. A snub is when no member of the Royal Family attended the marriage of the Duke and Duchess of Windsor in Paris in 1937." The Queen attended the second marriage of Princess Anne to Cdr Tim Laurence at Craithie Church, near Balmoral, in 1992 because it was held within the Church of Scotland, which had more relaxed rules on divorcés marrying in church. END
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04-04-2005, 04:53 PM | #47 |
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Hey, JD, I was supporting your contention, not contradicting it! CoE is an official state-sponsored religion. The Monarch is the head of the Coe.
JD: " Here you are only looking at the US and the FEW countries that have a seperation of church and state. Look at Britain - the head of state is the head of the church also and has an OFFICIAL religion." Ba - dum - da - dum!
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It still doesn't show that the modern Church is "manipulating the masses," though.
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BTW - there is this little issue between protestants and catholics that still rages on today you might have heard about.
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Neither Islam nor Christianity started based on politics. Islam turned toward politics extremely rapidly, but Christianity did not until several centuries had passed. I don't know about the other major religions, and how they relate to politics. Quote:
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Before we do, let's just make it clear that the dispute in Northern Ireland is as much political as it is religious, certainly these days, and representatives of both churches involved have frequently played the role of mediators and peacemakers.
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it may be not inherently related to her role as Head of CoE, but the roles of head of state and head of church are ultimately inseperable, and with reference to
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In medieval society and several societies since then, many times non-Christian or a-religious people have been discriminated against, refused public office because of their beliefs or lack thereof. Those beliefs would have influence policy. Some views were simply not permitted to have involved in policy-making. That was persecution from our camp. I think you believe this was wrong, just as I do. Now what you're suggesting is the same essential thing. The people in the past thought, "non-Christians bring their incorrect views into policy and so mess with government! We must stop them!" What you're suggesting is the same thing. "Christians bring their incorrect views into policy and so mess with government! We must stop them!" If people are religious, they should be allowed to bring those views into policy development. If people are a-religious, they should be able to bring their views into policy development. I'm highly against discrimination from either camp, or at least like to think I am.
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so am i except i believe that mp's ought to think a bit more objectively, and only to vote on issues that their constituents would want them to vote for, not what their moral or religious conscience tells them, they are there as representatives of the people, not as rulers or spiritual do-gooders
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ok, i will try:
the people elect their representative to vote on issues in the way they would like it to be voted, the representative is not elected to vote however they feel scenario: candidate gets majority vote, the majority of the people in his constituency believe that hunting should be banned, the MP then votes not to ban hunting because he believes it is OK, that representative is not representing his electorate, which is the job he was chosen to do |
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