Anyone else shead a tear?

[Elfstone.]

Too many good times from the book sbeing brought up we nneed to start the blubberers club that someone mentioned before I'm in for sure.

What about Gimli guys he and Legolas went into the West but Gimli was still mortal and doomed to die thats kinda sad as well.

Elfstone

[ragamuffin92]

Menelgavor is correct. The story of Aragorn's and Arwen's passings is in Appendix A, part V, "HERE FOLLOWS A PART OF THE TALE OF ARAGORN AND ARWEN"

[Arathorn]

Ooops...got the books mixed up...IT IS in one of the appendices of ROTK: the story of how they first met, got married, became royalty, and how she outlived him...

I checked Sil but couldn't find it. Am back in TTT just as they are about to leave Orthanc (and a nice part to stop for a read-rest i might say)

[ragamuffin92]

See appendix B, year 1541.
"Then Legolas built a grey ship in Ithilien, and sailed down Anduin and so over Sea; and with him, it is said, went Gimli the Dwarf. And when that ship passed, an end was come in Middle-earth of the Fellowship of the Ring."
Cheer up, Elfstone. I'm sure Prof. T was saying that Gimli was allowed to accompany Legolas to the Blessed Realm.

[Vardasoroniel]

Originally posted by aldesign
i was close to tears when Boromir died

his last valiant fighting efforts defending Merry & Pippen were excellent. And made him a great man and hero in Striders' and my view.

The film was excellent at encaptulating this moment, all in slow mo, and when the final arrow hit, u could see the tears in the hobbits eyes, as they drew their swords and charged in anger

i agree! the movie really crystallized the redemption, as it were, of boromir. his struggle with himself over the ring rang true, and his realization of what he'd done and what he'd almost done were clearly shown.

i was both crying and cheering for him at his end!

[luinilwen]

thankyou for the affirmation, master arathorn

and i think gimli 'elf-friend' was the only dwarf permitted to go to the grey havens. it's in ROTK at the very end of app A.

Here follows one of the last notes in the Red Book: We have heard tell that Legolas took Gimli Gloin's son with him because of their great friendship, greater than any that has been between Elf and Dwarf. If this is true, then it is strange indeed; that a Dwarf should be willing to leave Middle-earth for any love, or that the Eldar should recieve him, or that the Lords of the West should permit it. But it is said that Gimli went also out of desire to see again the beauty of Galadriel; and it may be that she, being mighty among the Eldar, obtained this grace for him. More cannot be said of this matter.

i think it's more grim that Frodo should leave Sam behind, although by doing this he allows him to be "one and whole" and not "torn in two" *sigh*

[Nazgûl Queen]

From what i've heard and read, Sam follows Frodo to the havens in 4th Age 82, after rosie dies....
And Gimli and legolas sail in 4th Age 120, the year that Aragorn and Arwen die.


I think its so strong, loyal and sad that sam has hardly any food and no water on the journey up orodruin (giving it all to Frodo) and still manages to carry him up the mountain

[bropous]

In the books, when Gandalf died the first time I read it, that brought tears to my eyes, and each time through the scene at the Grey Havens does it to me as well.

In the film, I shed tears at several different points each time, but Boromir's death scene certainly touches me each time.

[CardenIAntauraNauco]

Yes. If I were watching FOTR in an empty room, I suspect I would cry from Gandalf's death to the end.

[ragamuffin92]

The Silmarillion states that elves, at the end of the time in Middle-earth, leave for the Blessed Realm. (I'm assuming that Elves who were killed also ended up there somehow, but don't recall reading about it.) Men's spirits go somewhere unkown to the Elves, since Eru granted death to mankind as a gift, although they generally didn't see it that way.
Did Tolkien say anything about an afterlife for Hobbits, Dwarves, or Ents?

[bropous]

Hobbits are basically Men, except small versions, and would have the same "afterlife" as Men. Letters, page 158.

I don't recall reading anything yet about the afterlife and Dwarves or Ents.

[Vardasoroniel]

Originally posted by bropous
In the film, I shed tears at several different points each time, but Boromir's death scene certainly touches me each time.

yes, i went again to see the film and cried again at this point.

i thought it odd, when i first saw the movie, that i should cry over boromir - because i recalled a different picture of his character from having read the book. in the book, i always found his character rather unsympathetic and small and self-serving, but the way his character is portrayed in the movie was a much richer, fuller view of the man and his struggles.

slightly off this subject - there are a couple of scenes that bother me each time i see the film - the first is when bilbo reaches for the ring in rivendell and has that snarkly, orc face come over his features. it seemed, well, cheesy. the second cheesy depiction for me was galadriel - she seemed to be on a heavy dose of medication, and just strange for the revered lady of the golden wood. this was a depiction that just didn't mesh with my reading. & then of course, there was her cheesy 'beautiful yet terrible queen of the world' episode and the big " 'whew' i passed the test speech" - she just came off a bit demented to me . . .

but enough of this minor criticism . . .

[Laurelyn]

Yeah, I cried a few times during the book at the end, and even a few times in the movie. Elijah wood did a really good job acting out Frodo's burden of the Ring. He'd better keep that up for the other movies. . .
Vardasoroniel, I thought the Galadriel scene was a bit cheesy too, and the Gandalf vs Saruman thing as well . . . although I almost cried for Gandalf later when he was imprisoned at the top of Orthanc and watching the transformation of Isengard.

[Agburanar]

Hmm. It probably would have been a sad point in the film when Boromir died, but he spent so long milking his death in cliche slow motion I think I may have fallen asleep and missed that bit! Sean Bean was not a good choice for Boromir, he had to play the hero didn't he? He couldn't have created any form of suspense if he tried, oh, and his hair was the wrong colour and too short. Boromir's death was better in the animated film, cartoon characters don't seem to take half an hour to die!

[bropous]

Well, Agburanar, I could not disagree more wholeheartedly.

I found the slow motion effective in the death of Boromir, as I did Sean Bean's acting. He did a fine job, brought depth and subtlety to the role, and although his hair may have been the wrong color and too short, I feel those are acceptable losses in the grand scheme of things. All in all I thought he did a creditable job, the role was well-scripted in the face of other shortcomings, and that in all his performance one of the best in the film.

Film reviewing is always subjective, and I think we simply draw observations on Bean's performance from two diametrically opposite sides of the spectrum. Oh well, that's movies for ya!

[CardenIAntauraNauco]

he had to play the hero didn't he?

9 of the 11 or some major roles casted were heroes who would you have him play Galadriel.



Addressing Vardasoroniel:
The Galadriel "DEMON OF THE WEST!!!" thing was a bit cheesy possibly but it made sense for Bilbo to suddenly become his gollum like alter-ego. It is different from the book but everyone I've talked to who hasn't read the book esspecially liked that part .

[Elfstone.]

Man you guys are just looking for something to critisize Sean Bean was awesome, and for people who haventread the books didn't think he took so long to die, for us we knew what was happening for them they were in the moment.

Sean Bean did an aweseom job as Boromir.

Elfstone.
(trying not to make enemies )

[Vardasoroniel]

Originally posted by Elfstone.
.Sean Bean did an aweseom job as Boromir.

Elfstone.
(trying not to make enemies )

i wholeheartedly agree. i think he portrayed the struggle of a man with conflicted emotions very well, & after all, as an 'epic' hero he's allowed to play it a bit over the top.

[Vardasoroniel]

Originally posted by CardenIAntauraNauco


9 of the 11 or some major roles casted were heroes who would you have him play Galadriel.



Addressing Vardasoroniel:
The Galadriel "DEMON OF THE WEST!!!" thing was a bit cheesy possibly but it made sense for Bilbo to suddenly become his gollum like alter-ego. It is different from the book but everyone I've talked to who hasn't read the book esspecially liked that part .

as a comic aside - if sean bean had played galadriel, perhaps she would have come off a bit more heroic, and less like someone in an extended opium dream . . .

as for bilbo, i agree that his obsession with the ring turns him into his alter-ego gollum - it's the b-movie theatrics of his face suddenly going goblinish that jarred my sense of the scene. i think it could have been played just as well, if not better, with his actual face becoming mean-looking and dangerously obsessed.

[Vardasoroniel]

Originally posted by Laurelyn
Vardasoroniel, I thought the Galadriel scene was a bit cheesy too, and the Gandalf vs Saruman thing as well . . . although I almost cried for Gandalf later when he was imprisoned at the top of Orthanc and watching the transformation of Isengard.

the wizard duel wasn't too bad - at least they looked like themselves while fighting and didn't assume some demonlike faces to show the 'intensity' of the scene, as did bilbo and galadriel in their 'intense' emotional scenes.