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But yer right that it made BOTH sides look pitiful and chaotic. Which tells us something about how the system works now. we need to fix it.
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Boston Tea Party was a whole different thing. Those Democrats weren't being patriotic by any stretch... they were showing self-interest and party-interest... not Texas-interest. |
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Meanwhile, I think the whole thing demonstrated the double standard the press has for the two parties. The Democrats are portrayed as heroic... but the Republicans would not be if they were playing that role (remember how the media jumped on the US congressional Republicans and backed Clinton when the Republicans tried the 'government shut-down' to force Clinton to reduce spending??). There's a real double-standard there. If a Republican senator like Trent Lott says some kind things about an old man who's retiring, who used to be a segregationist, he's excorciated - and it quickly becomes only a matter of when he's out of office. If a Democratic senator like Hillary Clinton says that Muhatma Ghandi runs a gas station in East St. Louis, everyone gives her a free pass - and it's written off as just being human and saying something stupid. I don't have a problem with the latter reasoning, but lets apply it consistently. Same thing with the Texas government. |
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By estimates this year - NJ has dropped to the 10th most populated state - Georgia took our place as number 9. This is the first time in NJ history where we have moved out of single digits. If we don't get the number 9 spot back by 2010 - we will lose a representative most likely.
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OK... for my part I promise to refrain from further posts in this thread having to do with other than President Bush's State of the Union Address and issues closely related thereto.
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This was brought up in the democratic debate thread.
It seems as if Bush will make clear his views against gay marriages and unions. I had forgotten - Clinton had also come out and said that this was reserved for men and women. Washington is under tight security of course - because the full house, senate and executive branch are all under one roof. There is always one government official (cabinet member)- who is NOT at Capitol Hill in case something terrible does happen. We need our government to continue on some how. But I seriously doubt ONE person would be able to handle the problems that would arise if something happened and the executive and legislative branch destroyed at one time.
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Just to answer a question here. CNN said that this is the 71st time that the president has delivered the State of the Union Address as a speech to Congress. Also, this is the 215th State of the Union Address.
I'll be watching this on ABC though - just flipped to CNN to get some information ahead of time. One of the First Lady's guest is the President of Iraqi Governing Council. He was in NY with Bremer to discuss the Iraqi elections with Koffi Annan at the UN. There are 2 Senators and 2 Representatives at undisclosed locations - for protection - in case anything happens while the two branches of government are under one roof.
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The Barbarians was great!
i prefer tv with some basis in reality... not a political pep-rally... though i did find it amusing when i heard this morning about the applause gwb got when he mentioned that parts of the patriot act would be expiring next year... other than that it sounded like more of the usual no-tax and spend line... at least he dropped the axis of evil stuff
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What did GWB say when a lot of people started clapping when he said "the emergency powers are set to expire next year?" I accidentally hit the channel button at that moment, and when I got it turned back, people were chuckling and he went on w/ the speech ("we have to pass it, yada yada"). |
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As for us watching the Queen's speech - we don't act like your PM or Queen has anything to do with our country - like many people out side the US act toward our president.
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i'm not talking about 9/11 spending... though that has it's own problems
read this article: discretionary spending gwb and the republican congress have been pushing through spending bills at a historically unprecented rate for the past few years... some security oriented, some corporate welfare, some even general welfare, to help buy votes for the upcoming elections (read some conservative websites if you don't believe me on this) he's the most fiscally irresponisible president we've had, maybe in history... even many in his own party realize this i'm mostly in the middle on politics... free markets, free elections, freedom of speech... whichever party is closer on these ideas is the one i vote for... gwb seems to oppose all three
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For example - I don't personally care if France made boys wear dresses to school - but because of their hypocracy - I am outraged by their "secularity in schools" law that bars students from wearing conspicuous religious items. I found it very interesting when on French news they mocked us as having no understanding of them - and therefore could not make a statement regarding this law. They however make plenty of statements about us, yet it seems very few Europeans understand us or our government. And contrary to popular opinion - Europeans seem just as disinterested in learning about us as they think we are disinteresed in learning about them. I'm not saying all Europeans are like this of course - just like not all Americans are. But I don't see much of a difference in the ignorance between Europeans and Americans. Quote:
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