Scenes that should not be left out of the Two Towers - Page 3

Wayfarer · 10-11-2002, 12:22 PM

Offhand, I can't think of any that I would be happy to see cut.

emplynx · 10-11-2002, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nurvingiel
Merry and Pippin 'standing guard' - smoking good Hobbit weed, eating food, and relaxing.

Yeah I really like that scene. It better not be left out.

**Nurvingiel** · 10-12-2002, 12:35 AM

Thank you Samwise, yes it is time for me to read the books again. At least Shelob is at the end of the books, so she is close to the events that happen in the Two Towers... um... no excuse.

Anyway, there's no way she'll be left out of the Two Towers.

Cheerio!

Linarryl · 10-19-2002, 07:13 AM

Gandalf comes back and Legolas, Gimili, and Aragorn hide in the tree thinking he is Sauruman and try to attack him, then they have a talk and they relise it's Gandalf. That part HAS TO be in the movie! I think it's funny. (for some strange reason)

Telperion · 10-22-2002, 06:54 PM

A scene that absolutely CANNOT be cut out is when Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas meet Eomer for the first time. Everytime i read TTT, i read as fast as i can until i get to that scene. i just love it!
I also don't want when Frodo and Sam meet Farimir to be cut out. As a matter of fact, i don't want any scenes to be cut out but those are the ones i care about most.

cassiopeia · 10-22-2002, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Telperion
A scene that absolutely CANNOT be cut out is when Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas meet Eomer for the first time. Everytime i read TTT, i read as fast as i can until i get to that scene. i just love it!
I also don't want when Frodo and Sam meet Farimir to be cut out. As a matter of fact, i don't want any scenes to be cut out but those are the ones i care about most.

I think you'll find that if you watch the TT trailer you will see those scenes are in the movie.How closely they stick to the book is unknown.

Celebrian · 10-22-2002, 07:41 PM

They absolutley have to have Shelob, if they don't how could they end? One scene that has to be there, is when Gandalf is talking to Theoden, and the room is dark, but then he lifts up his staff and there is light coming in one window. I really like that scene, and it is described very well. I have the feeling Shelob is going to be in the third movie!

Entlover · 10-25-2002, 01:51 AM

Interesting article in the newest LotR fan club magazine (yes , I have stooped so low - but it's an excellent magazine). Titled Update with Peter Jackson ( stop me if you've all read this). He talks about Gollum as CGI character, and the more "liberated role" of Arwen, and then discusses the Two Towers:
"I would say that, of the three films, the TT is the one where we have certainly developed things further than what was in the book. . .we have followed the basic plot of the book. But we've found . . .that we feel the need to develop the characters and to put things in the movie that aren't in the book -- which is different than changing things. . . for instance you want to have a scene between Merry, Pippin and Treebeard that is just not in the book -- but you need it for the film, so you write it . .I think that TT has more original material with our characters than the Fellowship had and certainly more than the RotK has."

Be warned. I personally would love to see more scenes with Treebeard and the hobbits.

madeyejay · 10-25-2002, 10:57 AM

I think moving Shelob to ROTK is a mistake. That is key to the ending and the beginning of the next book. Alos I think as fans, we would not want anything cut. We would want a movie with every detail, if possible. The excerpt about PJ adding scenes scares me a little. Hopefully he does not get carried away.

**Nurvingiel** · 10-26-2002, 05:22 PM

The scene where Legolas, Gimli, and Gandalf meet Eomer and company for the first time, as well as where they meet Gandalf in Fangorn are definately essential.

So essential that they're in the trailer the TTT! You can download it from www.lordoftherings.net !

!

The whole Selob being ROTK instead of TTT would be wrong. That whole misunderstanding was my fault because I thought Shelob was actually in that book. I don't think Shelob will be in the ROTK movie, because she is key in TTT.

Starr Polish · 10-27-2002, 05:41 PM

It is pretty much official that Shelob has been moved to ROTK.

**Nurvingiel** · 10-27-2002, 08:39 PM

This will make for a lame TTT ending if this is true.

Could it be because they have too much story to deal with in TTT?

BeardofPants · 10-28-2002, 03:26 AM

It is because ROTK is a much shorter book than TT; it makes more sense to try and shovel more of TT over into the third segment, to bulk it out more. It's not like he's changing the timeframes....much.

Midgardsormen · 10-28-2002, 04:28 AM

Shelob has not only been moved to RotK because this is a shorter book. It is also so the timeline will be correct. In the books, Tolkien wrote the first half of TTT about Merry, Pippin, Ents, and Legolas, Aragorn, Gimli and Edoras/Helms Deep. The second half is all about Gollum, Sam and Frodo (and Faramir)....at the end of TTT Gollum, Sam and Frodo are WAY ahead of where the story left off for the others, and if PJ is jumping back and forth between the three groups he has to stick to more or less the same timeline.

In the book you know that both Sam and Frodo are free and travelling through Mordor way before the troops from Minas Tirith travel to challenge Sauron and are showed the sword, cape and Mithril mail!!
I am sure that not only is PJ trying to follow the timeline, but he also has to figure out where to put what in order to make it as exciting as possible.

As for there not being an exciting end if Shelob is moved....what about seeing Aragorn entering the paths of the dead, Gandalf and Pippin feeling 'desperate' having just been told by Faramir which way Sam and Frodo were attempting to enter Mordor....and ending with Sam and Frodo (with tears streaming down his face) watching the forces leaving for Mordor heading for war, and Frodo being convinced that he was too late!!
However he does it, I do not doubt that PJ will try to make it as exciting as possible, but also try to finish somewhere that seems a natural ending...........after all we have to wait another year for RotK!!
I personally love all the Sam/Frodo and Gollum scenes, but one of my favourite is the 'rabbit stew' where Sam looks at Frodo and he looks Elvish...as if a light is shining from within....I don't know if PJ is brave enough to include Sam professing his love for Frodo, but I wish he would.
Another scene I would love is the one alreadly mentioned when Gollum finds them both asleep with Frodo's head in Sam's lap...but that might be moved to the third movie too....and I love the 'sneaking' part too!! I cannot see PJ leaving that out!!

Ah, well, we can only wait and hope that as much as possible has been kept..........good news is that the rumour that Helms Deep fight is 45 minutes long is not true. PJ said in an interview that it is about 15 minutes (during the last 30 minutes of TTT interspersed with other scenes)...so there is lots of time for many many other scenes

**crickhollow** · 10-28-2002, 02:36 PM

lol, anyway, can you imagine the outrage of movie goers who haven't read the book if TTT ended the way the book does?

**Nurvingiel** · 10-30-2002, 10:39 PM

Good point Crickhollow, you should have heard the groans at the end of the first one! I bet you did actually...

Midgardsormen, you're right about the timeline, I didn't think about that. I did think of the length of the book though.

I wonder what a movie of the apendecies would be like? Joking!

Eowyn of Rohan · 11-04-2002, 09:36 PM

I agree with a lot of what has already been voiced:

- Gimli / Legolas orc-killing numbers game
- Meeting of Eomer
- Gollum Sam exchange of rabbit stew
- Gollum "sneaking" is a must (a MUST! - so funny... shows sides to him that aren't always readily apparent.)
- Pip stealing the Palantir
- Merry and Pip as the gate keepers at Isengard (hilarious)
- Gollum and the elf rope around his ankle
- The dead marshes

I don't think anyone has yet mentioned the Voice of Saruman. Saruman up on his balcony peering out over the Flotsam and Jetsam.

ooor mentioned Wormtongue

Also,.. Aragorn, Legolas, Gimli, and Gandalf's exchanges with Hama outside the entrance into the Golden Hall at Edoras where they are asked to lay aside their weapons (perhaps this is where we will learn Legolas' bow "came to me from the Golden Wood and the Lady of Lothlorien gave them to me." ?)

And when will we see the Green Gem that Aragorn carries and what it represents?

**crickhollow** · 11-04-2002, 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nurvingiel
Good point Crickhollow, you should have heard the groans at the end of the first one! I bet you did actually...

Midgardsormen, you're right about the timeline, I didn't think about that. I did think of the length of the book though.

I wonder what a movie of the apendecies would be like? Joking!

yes, I did. three times in the theatre, and a few with the video as well.

Dunadan · 11-06-2002, 07:27 AM

Midgardsormen's ending sounds plausible: both dramatic and consistent with the time-line.

What I'd be interested to know is how they'll get hold of the Palantir. It's crucial to the plot that Sauron ends up believing that someone (probably Aragorn) has the Ring. Pippin has to get hold of it for us to believe that.

I've heard that Saruman gets impaled on a spiked wheel, or something

Does this mean that they'll trash Orthanc and leave Pippin to have a deck in the Stone while the others are off raiding his stash of Longfarthing Leaf?

***azalea*** · 11-06-2002, 01:51 PM

Wouldn't it be funny if he did the Entmoot in real time?

That would be a llllloooooooooonnnnnnggggggggg movie!

I mentioned in another thread that my favorite part of TTT is when the orcs are traveling w/ Merry and Pippin, then have the big argument and they escape, so I hope they show that. But the only problem is that the orcs voices might be hard for the average viewer to understand, so I doubt they'll be given a lot of dialog.

10-11-2002, 12:22 PM	#41
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	Offhand, I can't think of any that I would be happy to see cut. __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

10-12-2002, 12:35 AM	#43
Nurvingiel Co-President of Entmoot Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 8,397	And to think... I started this thread! Thank you Samwise, yes it is time for me to read the books again. At least Shelob is at the end of the books, so she is close to the events that happen in the Two Towers... um... no excuse. Anyway, there's no way she'll be left out of the Two Towers. Cheerio!

10-22-2002, 06:54 PM	#45
Telperion Enting Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Calgary Posts: 78	A scene that absolutely CANNOT be cut out is when Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas meet Eomer for the first time. Everytime i read TTT, i read as fast as i can until i get to that scene. i just love it! I also don't want when Frodo and Sam meet Farimir to be cut out. As a matter of fact, i don't want any scenes to be cut out but those are the ones i care about most. __________________ Wherever you go, there you are. Aim for the stars, if you miss, you'll at least land on the moon! He who is made of air should not accuse the wind. My mind wanders. "Not all those who wander are lost." Therefore, my mind is not lost. Now, my question to those of you who doubt my sanity is this: How can someone who has not lost their mind be insane?

10-22-2002, 07:41 PM	#47
Celebrian Enting Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Calgary Posts: 75	They absolutley have to have Shelob, if they don't how could they end? One scene that has to be there, is when Gandalf is talking to Theoden, and the room is dark, but then he lifts up his staff and there is light coming in one window. I really like that scene, and it is described very well. I have the feeling Shelob is going to be in the third movie! __________________ All that is gold does not glitter, not all those who wander are lost. Tall ships and tall kings, three times three. What brought they form the foundered land Over the flowing sea? Seven stars and seven stones and one white tree.

10-25-2002, 10:57 AM	#49
madeyejay Hobbit Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 15	I think moving Shelob to ROTK is a mistake. That is key to the ending and the beginning of the next book. Alos I think as fans, we would not want anything cut. We would want a movie with every detail, if possible. The excerpt about PJ adding scenes scares me a little. Hopefully he does not get carried away. __________________ Did God create Man, or did Man create God?

10-19-2002, 07:13 AM	#44
Linarryl Elven Warrior Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 160	Gandalf comes back and Legolas, Gimili, and Aragorn hide in the tree thinking he is Sauruman and try to attack him, then they have a talk and they relise it's Gandalf. That part HAS TO be in the movie! I think it's funny. (for some strange reason)

10-25-2002, 01:51 AM	#48
Entlover Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 463	Interesting article in the newest LotR fan club magazine (yes , I have stooped so low - but it's an excellent magazine). Titled Update with Peter Jackson ( stop me if you've all read this). He talks about Gollum as CGI character, and the more "liberated role" of Arwen, and then discusses the Two Towers: "I would say that, of the three films, the TT is the one where we have certainly developed things further than what was in the book. . .we have followed the basic plot of the book. But we've found . . .that we feel the need to develop the characters and to put things in the movie that aren't in the book -- which is different than changing things. . . for instance you want to have a scene between Merry, Pippin and Treebeard that is just not in the book -- but you need it for the film, so you write it . .I think that TT has more original material with our characters than the Fellowship had and certainly more than the RotK has." Be warned. I personally would love to see more scenes with Treebeard and the hobbits.

10-26-2002, 05:22 PM	#50
Nurvingiel Co-President of Entmoot Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 8,397	Great scenes, all. The scene where Legolas, Gimli, and Gandalf meet Eomer and company for the first time, as well as where they meet Gandalf in Fangorn are definately essential. So essential that they're in the trailer the TTT! You can download it from www.lordoftherings.net ! ! The whole Selob being ROTK instead of TTT would be wrong. That whole misunderstanding was my fault because I thought Shelob was actually in that book. I don't think Shelob will be in the ROTK movie, because she is key in TTT.

10-27-2002, 05:41 PM	#51
Starr Polish Elf Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Slow down and I sail on the river, slow down and I walk to the hill Posts: 2,389	It is pretty much official that Shelob has been moved to ROTK. __________________ “The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.” –Bertrand Russell

10-27-2002, 08:39 PM	#52
Nurvingiel Co-President of Entmoot Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 8,397	Seriously!? This will make for a lame TTT ending if this is true. Could it be because they have too much story to deal with in TTT?

10-28-2002, 03:26 AM	#53
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	It is because ROTK is a much shorter book than TT; it makes more sense to try and shovel more of TT over into the third segment, to bulk it out more. It's not like he's changing the timeframes....much. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

10-28-2002, 04:28 AM	#54
Midgardsormen Hobbit Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 30	Shelob has not only been moved to RotK because this is a shorter book. It is also so the timeline will be correct. In the books, Tolkien wrote the first half of TTT about Merry, Pippin, Ents, and Legolas, Aragorn, Gimli and Edoras/Helms Deep. The second half is all about Gollum, Sam and Frodo (and Faramir)....at the end of TTT Gollum, Sam and Frodo are WAY ahead of where the story left off for the others, and if PJ is jumping back and forth between the three groups he has to stick to more or less the same timeline. In the book you know that both Sam and Frodo are free and travelling through Mordor way before the troops from Minas Tirith travel to challenge Sauron and are showed the sword, cape and Mithril mail!! I am sure that not only is PJ trying to follow the timeline, but he also has to figure out where to put what in order to make it as exciting as possible. As for there not being an exciting end if Shelob is moved....what about seeing Aragorn entering the paths of the dead, Gandalf and Pippin feeling 'desperate' having just been told by Faramir which way Sam and Frodo were attempting to enter Mordor....and ending with Sam and Frodo (with tears streaming down his face) watching the forces leaving for Mordor heading for war, and Frodo being convinced that he was too late!! However he does it, I do not doubt that PJ will try to make it as exciting as possible, but also try to finish somewhere that seems a natural ending...........after all we have to wait another year for RotK!! I personally love all the Sam/Frodo and Gollum scenes, but one of my favourite is the 'rabbit stew' where Sam looks at Frodo and he looks Elvish...as if a light is shining from within....I don't know if PJ is brave enough to include Sam professing his love for Frodo, but I wish he would. Another scene I would love is the one alreadly mentioned when Gollum finds them both asleep with Frodo's head in Sam's lap...but that might be moved to the third movie too....and I love the 'sneaking' part too!! I cannot see PJ leaving that out!! Ah, well, we can only wait and hope that as much as possible has been kept..........good news is that the rumour that Helms Deep fight is 45 minutes long is not true. PJ said in an interview that it is about 15 minutes (during the last 30 minutes of TTT interspersed with other scenes)...so there is lots of time for many many other scenes __________________ Midgardsormen

10-28-2002, 02:36 PM	#55
crickhollow The Buckleberry Fairy/Captain Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Washington State again (I miss Texas). Posts: 1,345	lol, anyway, can you imagine the outrage of movie goers who haven't read the book if TTT ended the way the book does? __________________ A day will come at last when I Shall take the hidden paths that run West of the Moon, East of the Sun.

10-30-2002, 10:39 PM	#56
Nurvingiel Co-President of Entmoot Super Moderator Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 8,397	Good point Crickhollow, you should have heard the groans at the end of the first one! I bet you did actually... Midgardsormen, you're right about the timeline, I didn't think about that. I did think of the length of the book though. I wonder what a movie of the apendecies would be like? Joking!

11-04-2002, 09:36 PM	#57
Eowyn of Rohan Enting Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Chicago, IL, USA Posts: 73	I agree with a lot of what has already been voiced: - Gimli / Legolas orc-killing numbers game - Meeting of Eomer - Gollum Sam exchange of rabbit stew - Gollum "sneaking" is a must (a MUST! - so funny... shows sides to him that aren't always readily apparent.) - Pip stealing the Palantir - Merry and Pip as the gate keepers at Isengard (hilarious) - Gollum and the elf rope around his ankle - The dead marshes I don't think anyone has yet mentioned the Voice of Saruman. Saruman up on his balcony peering out over the Flotsam and Jetsam. ooor mentioned Wormtongue Also,.. Aragorn, Legolas, Gimli, and Gandalf's exchanges with Hama outside the entrance into the Golden Hall at Edoras where they are asked to lay aside their weapons (perhaps this is where we will learn Legolas' bow "came to me from the Golden Wood and the Lady of Lothlorien gave them to me." ?) And when will we see the Green Gem that Aragorn carries and what it represents?

11-06-2002, 01:51 PM	#60
*azalea* Long lost mooter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 3,342	Wouldn't it be funny if he did the Entmoot in real time? That would be a llllloooooooooonnnnnnggggggggg movie! I mentioned in another thread that my favorite part of TTT is when the orcs are traveling w/ Merry and Pippin, then have the big argument and they escape, so I hope they show that. But the only problem is that the orcs voices might be hard for the average viewer to understand, so I doubt they'll be given a lot of dialog.

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