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Remind me, which lesbians' sperm was it that got Mary Cheney preggers?
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12-12-2006, 12:06 AM | #42 |
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Please don't flame.
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Lets all please try to remember to keep our comments and questions productive and polite .
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12-12-2006, 01:05 AM | #44 |
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Of course! Fair enough, dear Tessar, of course! Please note, though, that I was not flaming. - And' let's speak of flaming. Speaking of flaming, why is Inked allowed to be ugly to me? His post - see above - is utterly meaningless, except to sarcastically and meanly and meaninglessly bait me in particular to a response. Tessar, is it right that this guy should be given free reign to spout sarcastic and purely bait-worthy posts directed at others, yet others may not reply by calling this person on their nasty-flavoured negativity? I'm just sayin.' What's good for the goose, is good for the gander. Perhaps something can be done about mr Negative Nastypants, eh? Please? Please, I implore you, Tessar, speak to this man and please ask him to cease and desist with his pointless baiting and ugliness. For the good of all of us here... Please?
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Although I found his post to be boarderline, Ink's reply was as a means of pointing out what he felt was a flaw in your argument. Hense I did not delete his post since he did have a point he was trying to illustrate, however close he might have come to having his own post deleted.
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12-12-2006, 01:34 AM | #46 |
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O.K., and well judged, bello. All right, then... I think you're a pretty damn good moderator, Tessar, BTW, for what it's worth; I definitely have a goodly bit of respect for you. Your calls always seem to be very fair-minded and well-thought-out, not hasty at all; very cool, babe! Very cool...
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12-12-2006, 05:00 AM | #47 |
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As far as I know, Mary Cheney is not advocating the abolition of men in the state of virginia.
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And of course whats ironic (and sad) is that if she had been raped the "father" would have had more rights over the child then her lesbian mate who will be helping to raise the child. I think thats an attrocity. For the child and our society. And I dont think thats something we should just be shrugging off and saying essentially Hey too bad. Thats just the way the public wants it. Deal with it.
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http://www.boston.com/news/local/art...s_of_lesbians/ Please note that biology rules. The mother (a biologically determinant state) is given custody because the burden of proof is on the "male"-partner (e.g., the person figuring as the masculine role in this particular case) to prove interest. No requisite adoption to establish parenthood was conducted by this "partner". This partner loses out. Maternity is a fact. Paternity is an assumption. "It's not just for heterosexuals anymore." *********************************************** Commentary at titusonenine.com is worth a read: Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court rules on parental rights of lesbians The state’s highest court ruled yesterday against a lesbian who sought to establish parental rights to the 5-year-old biological child of her former partner, because she did not adopt the child during the 18 months they were together after the infant’s birth. The case reflects the Supreme Judicial Court’s view that same-sex couples who fall out of love while raising children must abide by the same legal rules as any other dissolving couples: What counts in the court system are birth certificates, marriage licenses, adoption papers, or proof that you share equally in the nurturing of the youngsters. In a complex legal case that stretched over three years, a lesbian from Middlesex County put forward some novel legal theories to establish her parental role. She said she deserved to be a legal parent because she and her former partner had effectively formed an agreement to raise a child together. She also argued she should be, at least, a de facto parent with visitation rights, because what she lacked in time with the child she gave in money as the primary breadwinner. Her case was backed by briefs from Gay & Lesbian Advocates & Defenders of Boston, a legal rights group for gays and lesbians, and Fathers and Families, a father’s rights group that represents many divorced fathers. But in a unanimous opinion, written by Chief Justice Margaret Marshall, the court said the woman failed to meet the state’s requirement for legal parental rights or prove that her emotional bond was so strong that she deserved at least court-mandated visitation. The justices said the woman never took up her option to adopt the baby, which would have given her the same rights as the biological mother. (Same-sex marriage was not an option when the women ended their relationship in 2003, when the child was about 18 months old.) The court also said the woman, who toiled long hours as codirector of a nonprofit organization, did not spend enough time caring for the child to establish her parental rights while the biological mother tended to most of the caretaking. Marshall wrote that while the plaintiff may love the child and the child may derive some benefit from spending time with her, “these facts are insufficient, in themselves, to accord the plaintiff parental rights.” Lawyers for the biological mother — Regina Hurley and John Foskett of the law firm Deutsch Williams — said the court’s opinion shows that courts now apply its child-protection measures equally, regardless of the sexual orientation of the couple. “They’re neutral on whether they are same-sex or heterosexual,” Foskett said. Elizabeth Zeldin, a Boston lawyer who represented the plaintiff, said her client is deeply upset by the result, especially because the biological mother has said she planned to end the temporary court-mandated visitation if she prevailed in the SJC. “It’s very sad for this child,” Zeldin said.
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12-12-2006, 07:07 PM | #51 |
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12-12-2006, 09:21 PM | #52 |
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I had supposed that Mary Cheney had been artificially inseminated...or...
She's lying about her Lesbianity. Rex, getting all mad about an IF theory. I thought that wasn't your way! and BTW, with finals this week, I'm just sortof out of it as far as debating goes. I'll pick up when I'm more energized....no telling when that'll be though.
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I agree with Lotesse Inked; there's a nice way to poke fun, and there's a nasty way to poke fun. IMO you were reeeeeally toeing the line there.
If emoticons were the only requirement to making a comment light-hearted, someone could write "Nurvingiel is a big dumb stupid-head " and I wouldn't be annoyed. Anyway, about the paternity thing... well, that's why we invented paternity tests! The only way to be sure. Some societies count ancestry solely through the mother for this very reason! I agree with IRex on all counts.
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So, what'd ya think of the great and glorious ruling of the Massachusetts Court in the case above. I mean the Court was all high and mighty and perfect in its ruling about gay "marriage" so it must be all high and mighty and perfect in this ruling too, right? Equality often means things people don't want it to mean and this is a perfect case in point. Notice that male fathers were attempting to support the "dispossessed" because that would help them in the battle against biology. Didn't work. A true case of judicial equality applied equally. And this is just the beginning.
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Are we still talking about Mary Cheney? I thought she was still with her partner...
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