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'Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta!' - And those were the words that Elendil spoke when he came up out of the Sea on the wings of the wind: 'Out of the Great Sea to Middle-earth I am come. In this place will I abide, and my heirs, unto the ending of the world.' 'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin "Oh. Forgive me, fairest of all males of Entmoot...Back down, all ye other wannabe fairest males! Dunedain is the fairest!" --Linaewen |
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'Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta!' - And those were the words that Elendil spoke when he came up out of the Sea on the wings of the wind: 'Out of the Great Sea to Middle-earth I am come. In this place will I abide, and my heirs, unto the ending of the world.' 'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin "Oh. Forgive me, fairest of all males of Entmoot...Back down, all ye other wannabe fairest males! Dunedain is the fairest!" --Linaewen |
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And IR - it isn't a matter of "when in Rome". Have a sense of pride - I'd like to see how you feel if you HAD to bow to someone. Radagast - as has been stated - we do NOT care if you guys bow to your queen - you can think she is above you all you want. We however do not even think the president is above the "common" citizen - because that is all he is - a "common" citizen. He is not above the laws of this land nor do we expect as the leader of OUR country to bow or be subservient to any foreign monarch or head of state or foreign leader. Sun-Star as to why I don't think that Bush should be going there - it mostly deals with that he's so hated over there. I was wondering if any Britons would care about him going over. As it turns out - it seems like a majority are welcoming him and glad he is coming over. Also - I can't speak for others - but yes - I know the difference between royalty and nobiliity. And as Valandil posted - a citizen of the us can not have a noble title bestowed on them. We completely broke away from that in 1776.
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[flame edited] Just like you should expect the Americans to be offended by the English expecting our president to bow to the queen. It's ludicrous. [flame edited] I'm not a Bush supporter. I didn't vote for him (just like the majority of citizens here didn't either). But I won't have someone who is supposed to be representing my country acting like a total ninny abroad. (Ok, well, anymore than he already does. ) |
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As for Bush bowing - he didn't. They shook hands which I had hoped he would. There is NO reason for the president to bow to the queen. We are not one of her servants and we are not a British colony. As for when people bow to the queen - it is understood that you bow to the queen, that you do not turn your back on her and bunch of other rules. Because it is viewed or has been viewed that the monarchy is above everyone else.
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In retrospect, I suppose bowing is a little outdated between leaders of nations and shaking hands is a rather more equal and suitable these days. But I had NO idea that's still such a hot issue in America. I mean, how long has it been since you became independant from England? Over 200 years? I had absolutely no idea Americans kept these grudges for so long. If I was writing in Dutch I would say something about getting old cows out of the ditch, but I doubt that has the same meaning in English. Anyway, just forget what I said about the cows. I mean if we would do the same here we'd probably still be holding grudges against France, Germany, the Netherlands, Austria and Spain. Probably some others too.
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I consider the president of the USA to be of far more importance and power than someone like the queen that really has no power at all. Think about it, really. If the queen were killed, the Brits might mourn (or not) but the country would keep on going with no real change in the powers of government. If the president of the US were shot and killed... OMG!! We'd have Dick Cheney!!! Quote:
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