The four towers? - Page 3

BeardofPants · 12-06-2002, 11:48 PM

While it may be true that the publisher decided which two towers the title was referring to, Tolkien had his own ideas on this, as referred to in the Letters quotes I posted, so as far as I'm concerned, the question still remains unanswered.

Lollypopgurl · 12-09-2002, 09:56 PM

I always thought of it as Orthanc and Cirth Ungol. Yes, I know, Cirth Ungol itself is not really a tower. But the place has one.

Arathorn · 12-09-2002, 10:30 PM

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Originally posted by BeardofPants
While it may be true that the publisher decided which two towers the title was referring to, Tolkien had his own ideas on this, as referred to in the Letters quotes I posted, so as far as I'm concerned, the question still remains unanswered.

I think he will answer it in his 111th birthday come january. In order to find out what he will say, one must fall asleep at exactly midnight of that day while chanting the following incantation: "There's no place like Rivendell, There's no place like Rivendell, There's no place like Rivendell..."

cassiopeia · 12-09-2002, 10:40 PM

Perhaps we should ask John Edward to contact him?

Cirdan · 12-13-2002, 01:29 AM

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Originally posted by cassiopeia
Perhaps we should ask John Edward to contact him?

"I'm getting a tower, a dark colored tower, maybe a black one. Does anyone have a black tower?..."

So, is Cirith Ungol named for the Ungoliant? hmmm... John?

BeardofPants · 12-13-2002, 01:45 AM

DARE I ask who John Edward is?

Cirdan · 12-13-2002, 01:54 AM

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Originally posted by BeardofPants
DARE I ask who John Edward is?

He's a TV psychic. He uses promting and watches body language to evoke a simulated visitation from the dead relatives of audience participants. He's a fake, but a really good fake. It's entertaining for a minute or two.

cassiopeia · 12-13-2002, 01:59 AM

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DARE I ask who John Edward is?

You are lucky not to get his show "Crossing Over' in NZ. I watch it sometimes just to criticise everything he says. Cirdan, you quote is so true!

Arathorn · 12-13-2002, 02:09 AM

I wonder if the elven spirits could talk through him in Quenya.

Cirdan · 12-13-2002, 02:12 AM

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Originally posted by cassiopeia
You are lucky not to get his show "Crossing Over' in NZ. I watch it sometimes just to criticise everything he says. Cirdan, you quote is so true!

I saw a butal parody of him on South Park. I don't watch it very often but it came on after something while I was surfing. They pegged him as the biggest "euphemism" in the galaxy (he got an award from an alien).

Blackboar · 12-15-2002, 11:50 AM

Its Orthanc and Barad-dúr!

Gamigar · 03-15-2003, 12:54 PM

I'm pretty sure it means Othanc and Barad-Dur.

Radagast The Brown · 03-15-2003, 04:41 PM

after a month someone post here again... well, prove it!

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-15-2003, 05:53 PM

BB, why do you say that it is? Do you have proof?

Arathorn · 03-15-2003, 07:39 PM

It is only explicitly stated as Orthanc and Barad-dúr in the movie version; not the books.

JCL2 · 03-15-2003, 08:10 PM

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Originally posted by Radagast The Brown
I do think it could be Minas Tirith.

And cirith Ungul is not really a tower. (so I agree with olsonm and Ms. U)

I AGREE WITH YOU RADAGAST.

Gwaimir Windgem · 03-15-2003, 08:55 PM

My thoughts are Orthanc and the Tower at Cirith Ungol. (Was that Minas Morgul? I can't remember

)

Cirdan · 03-16-2003, 02:29 AM

Return of the King; Book 2; Chapter 1: "The Tower of Cirith Ungol"

Cirith Ungol and Orthanc are the geographic centers for the climax of each book of TTT.

The conspiracy of Barad-dur and Orthanc are the focus of the storyline in TTT.

Which is more significant?

Aragorn_of_the_west · 05-06-2003, 06:07 AM

I think that it is Barad-Dur and Orthanc.
although the storyline is mainly focused on the other two towers- look at how the whole story was affected by the two tower of the dark lord and Saruman-the company broke up because sarumans orks attacked with Saurons and the company changed its origanal course ext.

Psycho Kitty · 05-06-2003, 10:22 AM

my god talk about much ado about nothing. i think its obvious the focus in the second book is on the developing relationship between saruman and sauron. so of course the two towers probably are Barad-Dur and Orthanc since this is where they both dwell and this is where the focus of their power comes from. the eye and the hand. its just silly to read any more into it or say its about a guard tower or something. those are chapter titles.

12-06-2002, 11:48 PM	#41
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12-09-2002, 09:56 PM	#42
Lollypopgurl Elven Warrior Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 222	I always thought of it as Orthanc and Cirth Ungol. Yes, I know, Cirth Ungol itself is not really a tower. But the place has one. __________________ a violinist...

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12-13-2002, 01:45 AM	#46
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	DARE I ask who John Edward is? __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

12-13-2002, 02:09 AM	#49
Arathorn Bard of Mangled Songs Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: West of Middle Earth...oh alright...Manila Posts: 2,679	I wonder if the elven spirits could talk through him in Quenya. __________________ Power attracts the corruptible. Absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible. -Missionaria Protectiva, Frank Herbert *Accio, Ash Nazg!* Elennuru s?la lúmenn' omentielvo* (The Death Star shines on the hour of our meeting) - Darth Arathorn Put aside the ranger... Start looking for Mumakil action figures...

12-15-2002, 11:50 AM	#51
Blackboar Legolas's beloved sister and Queen of the Wood Elves of Mirkwood Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Under the hill at Bag-end, Hobbiton the Shire Or Rivendell,I can't remember!!!!!!!!!! Posts: 1,086	Its Orthanc and Barad-dúr!

03-15-2003, 12:54 PM	#52
Gamigar Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: somewhere between here and there Posts: 116	I'm pretty sure it means Othanc and Barad-Dur.

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03-15-2003, 05:53 PM	#54
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	BB, why do you say that it is? Do you have proof? __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

03-15-2003, 07:39 PM	#55
Arathorn Bard of Mangled Songs Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: West of Middle Earth...oh alright...Manila Posts: 2,679	It is only explicitly stated as Orthanc and Barad-dúr in the movie version; not the books. __________________ Power attracts the corruptible. Absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible. -Missionaria Protectiva, Frank Herbert *Accio, Ash Nazg!* Elennuru s?la lúmenn' omentielvo* (The Death Star shines on the hour of our meeting) - Darth Arathorn Put aside the ranger... Start looking for Mumakil action figures...

03-15-2003, 08:55 PM	#57
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	My thoughts are Orthanc and the Tower at Cirith Ungol. (Was that Minas Morgul? I can't remember ) __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

03-16-2003, 02:29 AM	#58
Cirdan Elf Lord of the Grey Havens Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: somewhere else Posts: 2,381	Return of the King; Book 2; Chapter 1: "The Tower of Cirith Ungol" Cirith Ungol and Orthanc are the geographic centers for the climax of each book of TTT. The conspiracy of Barad-dur and Orthanc are the focus of the storyline in TTT. Which is more significant? __________________ There exists a limit to the force even ther most powerful may apply without destroying themselves. Judging this limit is the true artistry of government. Misuse of power is the fatal sin. The law cannot be a tool of vengance, never a hostage, nor a fortification against the martyrs it has created. You cannot threaten any individual and escape the consequences. -Muad'dib on Law The Stilgar Commentary

05-06-2003, 06:07 AM	#59
Aragorn_of_the_west Enting Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Israel Posts: 56	I think that it is Barad-Dur and Orthanc. although the storyline is mainly focused on the other two towers- look at how the whole story was affected by the two tower of the dark lord and Saruman-the company broke up because sarumans orks attacked with Saurons and the company changed its origanal course ext. __________________ "There are few left in Middle-Earth like Aragorn son of Arathorn.The race of Kings from over the sea is nearly at an end. Copy and past the URL and press continue: http://www.kingsofchaos.com/page.php?id=437705

05-06-2003, 10:22 AM	#60
Psycho Kitty Enting Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 66	my god talk about much ado about nothing. i think its obvious the focus in the second book is on the developing relationship between saruman and sauron. so of course the two towers probably are Barad-Dur and Orthanc since this is where they both dwell and this is where the focus of their power comes from. the eye and the hand. its just silly to read any more into it or say its about a guard tower or something. those are chapter titles. __________________ Its a common occurance. We all come to terms with it at some time or another. That beautiful feeling of being left behind. With the Golden promise touching anothers horizion. Being left sitting still and waiting for nothing. Unable to move until it comes.

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