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09-02-2004, 01:42 PM | #41 | |
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Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230 |
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09-02-2004, 10:39 PM | #42 |
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Yeah I mean there were some bad apples in every barrel but the majority of Hobbits didnt care for that stuff where as the majority of Dwarvwes did.
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I dont have to explain it. Haradrim said that "hobbits", plural, were immune to desire for wealth and power, not a single "hobbit", i.e. Bilbo. Bilbo was, just as in every race, the exception. The inference was that Hobbits, as a race, were immune. And that is, I argue, incorrect.
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09-03-2004, 02:24 AM | #44 |
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I don't know if this has been said already but I think the desire for the ring that all free peoples of ME could not withstand would drive a dwarf to desire gold and riches more. And since the one ring is gold itself in the end a dwarf would not throw a thing so precious away, perhaps more precious to a dwarf than to gollum!?
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Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230 |
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You miss the point, good sir. Say a Hobbit, any hobbit, John Smith the Hobbit for example. It dont matter that Smith refused the Ring, you, or he (haradrim) said that Hobbits could not. He plainly said that HOBBITS, as a race, are not in danger of a desire for wealth and power, and so on. And, well, they kind if are....
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You still haven't told us anything to make us think a dwarf would do better though... all you've done so far is assassinate the Sackville-Bagginses characters!
Most here seem to think it would have been disasterous for a dwarf to be handed the One Ring. Can you change any minds?
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The problem wit hthe Ring was that it was more dangerous to 'stronger' people, such as Gandalf and Elrond. Most Men would easily fall, some will take more time, some less... Dwarves sound rather ok. I do agree that the average Dwarf will not throw the Ring into Mountain Doom. But, as I see it, Frodo didn't have more success. That';s my opnion, show me where I'm wrong. (seems like I am, as you all think differently.)
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Oh Radagast you awful person, now I'm imagining Eru laughing his lily white butt off *sans pants of course*
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I take it Eru's pants can be found in your collection?
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09-04-2004, 02:10 AM | #54 |
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Imagine if a dwarf had put the Ring on in Cirith Ungol and tried to sneak away past the orcs. He would have been heard and shot at.
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Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230 |
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However, you leave out the fact that Dwarves are very weak-hearted when it comes to gold, and I believe Sauron understands this. Therefore, not only would the Dwarf have a hard time resisting a ring made of gold, but the Ring would be constantly tempting him (or her) with treasure beyond count etc etc. Hobbits could be tempted with this as well, but they don't have a specific weakness for it like Dwarves do. Sauron doesn't understand Hobbits. Sam was tempted with a beautiful garden covering all of Middle-earth, but he realized that's not what he wants. Hobbits, for the most part, value food and cheer and a nice bit of garden to call their own. It's hard to tempt someone with that, because Sam knew he would already have that when he returned home. Frodo was probably tempted with and end to pain, or being able to pass on his burden to someone stronger. In the end, all he saw was a great Eye. These are things that he (almost) successfully hardened his heart to. Hobbits might not be as physically tough as Dwarves, but they are at least as tough in spirit. True, Frodo failed in the end (as Radagast pointed out) but I think a Dwarf would have succumbed much earlier, when Sauron would have had a chance to get the Ring back. And as Telcontar pointed out, Dwarves are much less stealthy. Therefore, Hobbits are still the best Ringbearers.
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09-07-2004, 11:39 AM | #56 |
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Aragorn may have wanted Gimli as a companion, but that is completly different to being the bearer, for all the reasons above.
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So I shall make a list of reasons why the average dwarf wouldnt have done well against the ring:
1: Huge temptation for the gold 2: Not stealthy 3: Hobbits are supposed to do it 4: Probably would have failed long before reaching Mount Doom 5: Hobbits are cooler.... 6: I have no more reasons. ANyone else have one start with 6 and go down.
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6. "There are other forces at work than the will of evil, Bilbo was meant to find the ring, in which case you also were ment to have the ring, and that is an encouraging thought" Gandalf to the Hobbit Frodo...
Sounds like a good reson to me, simply because thats the way it is.
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09-08-2004, 02:02 AM | #59 |
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7. Sauron knows of dwarves and knows nothing of hobbits.
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