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I have no problem with the death penalty. Some crimes fit the punishment. It also isn't the easiest thing to get the death penalty. It has to be unanimous jury and then it goes through repeated appeals. Even after all that - the person may never be executed.
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and if it was an accident type thing, he shouldnt get the death penalty, but he should still be harshly (as in, a real tough term behind the bars) punished.
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Yes, but I'm pretty sure the phrase pre-dates the biblical inclusion - I think it comes from mesopotamia or something like that.
Edit - yeah it comes from Hammurabi... one of the first set of codified laws to be written up I believe... Not sure where I got the trade thing from - vaguely remember some lecturer telling us about it, but I can't find anything. Mebbe I'm thinking of something else?
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Myself, Hemel, and The Gaffer are against the death penalty altogether. Obviously everyone in this thread can't be lumped into one group.
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Okay, now I've got it... The Laws of Hammurabi deal quite a lot with trade and such, and if such and such forfeits, they'll have their eyes cut out. So I WAS correct in thinking that it deal with trade, but wrong in assessing that it wasn't meant in a vengeful manner. It seems that the bible usage is correct in accordance to the origin of the statement.
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Somewhere in the bible it says that if an owner knows that his ox or something is dangerous (as in it has previously attacked someone) and it kills someone that the owner should be killed.
Wow. It was in the old testament tho and thats the thing a lot of christians are like 'jesus fulfilled the old testament we don't have to do that anymore' but supposedly it was 'god's law not the pharisees or whatever. Plus there aren't any laws in the new testament really I don't think... whats with that
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I am opposed to the death penalty. For me, you either think murder and torture are wrong, or you don't. To say it's totally wrong to kill an innocent person and perfectly right to kill a guilty one is a triumph of emotion over reason, and the beginning of a dangerous train of thought, IMO.
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Well said, Sun Star.
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I agree with SGH. Also the death penalty in the US has nothing to do with emotion - it has to do with the severity of the crime. People outside US have no understanding what so ever of our justice system or our death penalty. Some of the comments from non-Americnas has made this perfectly clear.
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Come on, JD, let's not start the US vs the rest again. I don't agree with the death penalty. I don't care what the country is that enacts it, nor how they may try to sanitise it, nor how they may try to justify it. I think the death penalty is barbaric. End of story. Last edited by Hemel : 02-10-2004 at 07:20 PM. |
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I realize that sun-star didn't point out America in particular - but many people have posted before about how America can just kill anyone with the death penalty. Quote:
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JD - just because someone disagrees with the death penalty, doesn't mean that they are against America.
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The USA isn't the only country with a death penalty anyway. I actually think it would cost more to keep someone in jail for the rest of their natural lives than it would to go through the appeal process. However, money is not a good consideration of wether or not to put someone to death.
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