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05-04-2003, 05:28 PM | #41 | |||||
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Bravo Cassiopea. I tip my hat to you.
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From Morgoth's Ring: Later Quentas: Of The Silmarils and the Unrest of the Noldor Quote:
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“What does the term american refers to” asked the boy, and the wise man answered: “Lets look at the dictionary then.” As an adjective American is: 1. Of or relating to the United States of America or its people, language, or culture. 2. Of or relating to North or South America, the West Indies, or the Western Hemisphere. As a noun American is: A native or inhabitant of America. A citizen of the United States. Then the boy asked, “What is America then?”, and the wise man looked at the dictionary again: 1. The United States. 2. also the A·mer·i·cas. The landmasses and islands of North America, Central America, and South America. Confused, the boy asked, “Does the term american refers solely to a us citizen or to any person in North, Central or South America?” The wise man replied: “What do you think?”, and the boy answered: “It is clear to me that while the term american is used to refers to us citizens, one can also use it to refer to any person who is from that continent too,” the boy thought for a while and asked the wise man, “Am I right?”, and he replied: “But of course.” The boy wondered, why is it that some people refuse to acknowledge the fact that the term american refers not only to US citizens but to anyone of the American continent?, but then sadly, the boy understood, that it is the calamity of ignorance. |
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05-04-2003, 05:36 PM | #42 | |
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05-04-2003, 09:22 PM | #43 |
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*Blushes* Thanks Maedhros, I was actually very nervous posting my introduction.
That's interesting about Galadriel's phial. Did she actually make it, and if so did she learn it from Aule or Mathan? I don't suppose the phial would be made of the same materials as the Silmarils, so does that mean there are two (at least) kinds of material that can catch light? Why, then, couldn't Melkor make his own type of 'Silmarils'? Perhaps not as lovely as Feanor's, but akin to the star-glass. I suppose this goes back to my original question as to why Melkor wanted to posess the Silmarils.
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05-04-2003, 10:31 PM | #44 | |
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Now that I think about it, Dragons are an original concept. . I guess this opens the question as to what is a dragon?
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“What does the term american refers to” asked the boy, and the wise man answered: “Lets look at the dictionary then.” As an adjective American is: 1. Of or relating to the United States of America or its people, language, or culture. 2. Of or relating to North or South America, the West Indies, or the Western Hemisphere. As a noun American is: A native or inhabitant of America. A citizen of the United States. Then the boy asked, “What is America then?”, and the wise man looked at the dictionary again: 1. The United States. 2. also the A·mer·i·cas. The landmasses and islands of North America, Central America, and South America. Confused, the boy asked, “Does the term american refers solely to a us citizen or to any person in North, Central or South America?” The wise man replied: “What do you think?”, and the boy answered: “It is clear to me that while the term american is used to refers to us citizens, one can also use it to refer to any person who is from that continent too,” the boy thought for a while and asked the wise man, “Am I right?”, and he replied: “But of course.” The boy wondered, why is it that some people refuse to acknowledge the fact that the term american refers not only to US citizens but to anyone of the American continent?, but then sadly, the boy understood, that it is the calamity of ignorance. |
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05-05-2003, 02:38 AM | #45 | ||
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05-05-2003, 12:01 PM | #46 | |
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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05-05-2003, 12:12 PM | #47 | |
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05-05-2003, 12:42 PM | #48 | |
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05-05-2003, 12:46 PM | #49 | |
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05-05-2003, 04:06 PM | #50 | |
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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05-05-2003, 04:10 PM | #51 | |
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I agree - I think Fëanor overreacted in his suspicion (fueled by Melkor's lies). What I really wonder about, 'tho, is why Finwë didn't appear to do anything - he was, after all, King! and seemed to be respected by both sons. Why didn't he tell both Fëanor and Fingolfin to sit down, be quiet, and cool off, and then proceed to run a meeting?
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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05-05-2003, 05:28 PM | #53 | |
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05-05-2003, 08:52 PM | #56 |
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I have seen several theories on the origins of the Dragons, and I am not happy about any of them. The simplest, and probably correct one, IMHO, is that Tolkein just thought Dragons were dragons and there was no need to explain carefully about them like he did with the Balrogs. The second is the one just quoted, that they were Eagles corrupted. I don't care for that, as there is no mention that I can find of any capture of an Eagle by Morgoth. The third is the Maia-of -air one, and I have to admit that it makes the most sense, though, as I say, I am not happy about it. Or Ungoliant or the Watcher in the Water, either.
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05-05-2003, 11:47 PM | #57 | |
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“What does the term american refers to” asked the boy, and the wise man answered: “Lets look at the dictionary then.” As an adjective American is: 1. Of or relating to the United States of America or its people, language, or culture. 2. Of or relating to North or South America, the West Indies, or the Western Hemisphere. As a noun American is: A native or inhabitant of America. A citizen of the United States. Then the boy asked, “What is America then?”, and the wise man looked at the dictionary again: 1. The United States. 2. also the A·mer·i·cas. The landmasses and islands of North America, Central America, and South America. Confused, the boy asked, “Does the term american refers solely to a us citizen or to any person in North, Central or South America?” The wise man replied: “What do you think?”, and the boy answered: “It is clear to me that while the term american is used to refers to us citizens, one can also use it to refer to any person who is from that continent too,” the boy thought for a while and asked the wise man, “Am I right?”, and he replied: “But of course.” The boy wondered, why is it that some people refuse to acknowledge the fact that the term american refers not only to US citizens but to anyone of the American continent?, but then sadly, the boy understood, that it is the calamity of ignorance. |
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05-06-2003, 03:36 AM | #58 |
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*shrugs* If you think so. I suppose I can't really get my point across but what I meant is: Who ever said Fëanor never got the chance to defend himself? It wasn't like Fingolfin espected Finwë to immediatly condemn Fëanor. I see Fingolfin as a brother who sees his brother who's prone to hotheaded actions start some trouble and wishes to inform his father of it so that he can take action like a father and not like a king. It's more of a family affair, the council has little to do about it.
The point is that I think that Fingolfin wanted to deal with the case within the family, quietly and quickly without bringing it before the rest of the council where it was bound to go out of hand and spreads even more unrest.
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05-06-2003, 05:14 AM | #59 |
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I don't know Eärniel, Fingolfin was keen on being second to the title High King of the Ñoldor. Fingolfin and Fëanor were not only half-brothers, they were also rivals. Not that it is any excuse for Fëanor.
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05-06-2003, 01:58 PM | #60 | |
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Although he could not create or give life to creatures, is it possible that he could give the gift of speech? Perhaps dragons were simply creatures that he brought to his side and to whom he was able to give speech. Just a musing. There was discussion elsewhere of animals in ME that could speak (was it a raven or rook in The Hobbit?), and maybe dragons learned it in a similar way. |
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