04-16-2008, 03:13 AM | #41 |
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I introduced my parents to it. Read all of the second book of The Two Towers to my mom on a roadtrip home from Florida once.
My uncle, however, had been a fan since publication.
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04-16-2008, 03:25 AM | #42 | |
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I tried having a go at the Silmarillion when I was 11-12 but it was only half-hearted. I actually still have that copy but can't say I've read it front to back
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04-16-2008, 12:25 PM | #44 |
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Welcome coffeehouse. Check over in the general forum, when you have a chance.
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04-17-2008, 01:16 AM | #45 |
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I, of course, found Tolkien through the movies as many others...yes it is shameful. Don't look at me! I'm ugly...
But seriously though, I guess I got interested in seeing FOTR because I FREAKING LOVED EXCALIBUR (the film from 1981)! And after seeing that godly film, I became obsessed with anything that involved swords, sorcery, etc. And when I stumbled upon LOTR, I had finally found something that had simply satisfied my hunger for all things magical (although Excalibur will always hold a dear place in my heart). |
04-17-2008, 01:19 AM | #46 |
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Nothing wrong with finding LotR through the movies. I did, after all. Have you read the book, though?
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04-17-2008, 01:23 AM | #47 |
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Would I be here if I had not? Of course!
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04-17-2008, 01:25 AM | #48 |
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Good to hear it.
Have you read...all...the books? (including The Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales, Children of Húrin and the Histories of Middle Earth? ) Sorry, I'm a bit of a book freak.
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04-17-2008, 03:29 AM | #49 |
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I first read The Hobbit through Return of the King when I was twelve and liked them, but didn't really connect with them. Then when the movies came out I decided to re-read the books... Tano might possibly have forbidden me to see the movies until I had, but I don't really remember and if she did, she was probably kidding. Anyway, re-read the trilogy and plodded through the Sil - mostly reading them under the desk in science class. Ents and Mendelian genetics don't mix, by the way.
I didn't so much become a fan as get hooked into researching as an antidote to all the little wtf moments triggered by coming across recycled names while trying to read the Sil and listen to the teacher at the same time and especially when I got to the Fall of Gondolin. I ended up reading through the key volumes in HoME for the sole purpose of figuring out just how many Glorfindels there actually were and now I'm officially obsessed.
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Don't you guys kind of think that it's been long enough since the movies came out that it doesn't really matter anymore? If someone's been a fan since way back then they can't not be a "real" fan, as far as I'm concerned. As long as they've actually read at least LotR, anyway.
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There are LotR fans, who could be people who have only seen the films and read the one/three/six books. But a Tolkien fan, I think, (and this is obviously JMO) should have read LotR, Silm, and TH and likes them. Also it doesn't matter whether he/she has seen the films or not, or whether he/she likes or dislikes them. I think it is too easy to say someone's a fan or not a fan. But without defining exactly what we're talking about, the same person could be both.
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04-17-2008, 12:11 PM | #52 |
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Personally, I don't think there's an objective definition for 'fan.'
It should be something that is self-defined - if someone says they're a fan, they are. Of course, I would have problems with someone calling themselves a 'fan' if they've never read a single word Tolkien wrote down and have only seen the movies, but other than that, hey, whatever freaks their peaches.
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This thread, for example, asks "How did you begin to like LotR" and is in a book forum. One might, therefore, say, "Any conversation that refers to beginings outside the books is not germane." I think we'd lose a lot of information that way, however, not to mention bonhomie. I agree with DPR in that defining 'fan' is essential to where one winds up. But I'm not sure that people who believe LotR was 'channeled' to JRRT are actually expressing admiration for his talents...any more than people are complimenting a coffee pot's work when they rave about a cup of coffee. If he is not the agent of his own work, then credit is properly due to Illuvatar, I suppose. But really, I don't know what purpose is served in dividing the sheep from the goats, on this one. Dismissing people usually winds up being negative, and impacts communities negatively. That's my experience of it, anyway.
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Not to drift too far off topic, but are there really people who believe LotR was literally channeled to The Professor? I realize Tolkien claimed something like that later in life but are there people who believe him?
Authors often feel like their characters take on a life of their own and make decisions and do things almost of their own volition, but literal channeling of a higher power? I'd question the mental state...or the ego...of the author making the claim.
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04-17-2008, 12:34 PM | #55 |
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Nope.
But I have felt before that my creative process has been taken out of my hands and become something better (and bigger) than I thought I was capable of doing. That could be what he was talking about. And my post quoted by sis was not supposed to be challenging anyone's fandom - I just push people to read all the books, because I like them.
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04-17-2008, 12:44 PM | #56 |
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You don't think the impact of those questions (including your post before) is to intimidate people who have NOT read all the books you ask about?
I'm not saying your intention was that, but I'm sure that sort of thing has that effect, particularly on younger posters...of whom we see many. Same thing for moderating strategies that shut down or combine new threads. People don't like to spend their free time doing something "wrong." And oh yes, DPR, there are a number of people who feel that any suggestion JRRT actually wrote a story, rather than taking dictation is heretical.
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I honestly don't see what the problem is here. I'm not judging anyone. Did you even read my other post?
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However, and now I'm not trying to point a finger at you or anyone else, sometimes I get the feeling that I'm "not allowed" to like Tolkien because I haven't read all of his books and am thus quite ignorant of some of the background. It is the reason I haven't ventured into the upper sections of the board much. And indeed it is my problem and I will read the Sil someday. When I can make time >_< Just keep in mind that we are not not reading the rest of the books because we like to irk you
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