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02-20-2006, 02:58 PM | #42 |
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It is likely that Nargothrond looked a great deal like Menegroth since Thingol told Finrod of the caverns of Narog and Finrod wished to fashion Nargothrond after the mansions of Menegroth.
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Living in caves seems more Sindar-like, doesn't it? Thingol, Thranduil...
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Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230 |
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02-20-2006, 04:26 PM | #47 |
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I agree with TD. Turgon had redeeming qualities. He welcomed Tuor and gave him the hand of his only daughter without much fuss, not like the mean Thingol!
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02-20-2006, 04:35 PM | #48 |
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I have to agree with Rian to a point. As I said in an earlier post, although Turgon was not a bad person or king, he did what some would consider turning his back on the Noldor and the troubles of Beleriand. The Nirneath is the only instance of where Gondolin became involved in the Wars of Beleriand. At the end, he became arrogant and prideful and forsook the words of Ulmo. But I have to agree with you CS that he wasn't that meany Thingol.
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02-20-2006, 05:11 PM | #49 |
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Oh, Turgon definitely had redeeming qualities - I'm not saying he didn't. I'm just saying that I think Fingon was a better guy.
TD - you just GOTTA read the Fall of Gondolin! One of my favorite bits of Tolkien. Then you might see what I mean about Turgon. I just think he could have gone out leading his people, instead of the way he did ... (I'm not saying how he did, so you'll be tempted to read it and find out! ) I'm not particularly fond of Thingol - is anyone, for that matter? (except Melian ... )
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02-20-2006, 05:12 PM | #50 |
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Turgon wasn't the only one of the Noldor to have turned his back on what the Valar said to be fair. The reason the Noldor were in ME was because Fëanor hadn't listened to the Valar and nor did the Noldor.
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02-20-2006, 08:06 PM | #51 |
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I think the trouble with Thingol is that the story leaves him in la-la-land with Melian and then we don't really get back to him till things start going wrong for his character.
He ruled succesfully in Middle Earth for thousands of years that we don't hear anything about. So he probably had quite a lot of redeeming qualities, they just weren't developed or told about within the story.
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I"m sure you're right, Maggie, but it's just fun to bash him!
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“What does the term american refers to” asked the boy, and the wise man answered: “Lets look at the dictionary then.” As an adjective American is: 1. Of or relating to the United States of America or its people, language, or culture. 2. Of or relating to North or South America, the West Indies, or the Western Hemisphere. As a noun American is: A native or inhabitant of America. A citizen of the United States. Then the boy asked, “What is America then?”, and the wise man looked at the dictionary again: 1. The United States. 2. also the A·mer·i·cas. The landmasses and islands of North America, Central America, and South America. Confused, the boy asked, “Does the term american refers solely to a us citizen or to any person in North, Central or South America?” The wise man replied: “What do you think?”, and the boy answered: “It is clear to me that while the term american is used to refers to us citizens, one can also use it to refer to any person who is from that continent too,” the boy thought for a while and asked the wise man, “Am I right?”, and he replied: “But of course.” The boy wondered, why is it that some people refuse to acknowledge the fact that the term american refers not only to US citizens but to anyone of the American continent?, but then sadly, the boy understood, that it is the calamity of ignorance. |
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I would save Gondolin because it recalls Tirion in Valinor whereas Nargothrond could be rebuilt by Dwarves and it makes me think of Thranduil's caves in Mirkwood.
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02-23-2006, 12:21 PM | #56 |
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I'm with R*an here. Save Gondolin, but replace Turgon with anyone (preferably Fingon).
I would have once been sympathetic to Nargothrond, but 1) I don't like caves, and 2) those idiots really deserved everything that came to them.
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What about Finrod?
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"Idiots" refers to everyone in Nargothrond except Finrod, Edrahil, and the others that followed. Turning on your own king like that...
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Gondolin... because the easiest way to do it is to bump off a snot nosed son of a "dark" elf...
Though I'd really rather be saving Angband...
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