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ACTUALLY, according to my research, he was buried at Avalon-if you ever view Glastonbury Tor in the early morning from a distance, with a mist around it..it is Avalon! Very mystical indeed. The battle site of Camlann is in a farmers field. You have to know where to go as it's not marked from the roadway. I walked in and searched about for an hr. before finding the marker. Research really pays off. :-) Tintagel is a blast. With "merlins cave" underneath and a chamber that lead from the top of Tintagel down into that cave, there is good reason to hold it as "the site". I even managed to conquer my vertigo to climb up there...it was well worth my pain.
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The Skystone and its sequels were indeed brilliant, however I have to say, that I truly enjoy the Once and Future King series, by T.H. White (the first book is The Sword in the Stone)
Another great one is the Crystal Cave Trilogy by Mary Stewart But the best ever, is the Pendragon Cycle by Stephen R. Lawhead...unbelieveable! (Taliesin, Merlin, Arthur, Pendragon & Grail are the five books in that order...READ THEM!!!!)
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Yes indeed, I love all of those and have them in my bookcase.
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Me too! Stephen Lawhead's cycle and The Dream of Eagles series (first book being the Skystone) are my two favourite Arthurian legends.
Lawhead's "Arthur" is a very humorous and interesting book too. Like when Sir Kay is relating how Arthur defeated Cerdic and what's-his-head (Morcant?) at their own fort. ... and did this make him happy? No it did not! That whole story is the funniest scene in any Arthurian legend I've ever read. I wish I had those books here! I'd quote the entire section.
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That's interesting about Glatonsbury. Actually, I think I did know that. In "The Mists of Avalon", Glatonsbury is very near Avalon (which is drawn into the mist at the end. Or something.) Does anyone know where the battle of Camlan was? What about Badon Hill. I'm sure they have plausible geographical references.
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Camlan = a field in central Wales (I loaned the book to a friend and don't have it back - so can't give precise location) Badon Hill = Bath Camelot = Viroconium
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Viroconium? Where is that?
Jack Whyte put Colchester IIRC (or near Colchester anyway) as Camelot. But that's north east of London, so now I'm confused. I always though Camelot was... um... west of Swindon? I'm confused now. Here's a good map site, what do you think guys? Maps
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Old Roman town - which I read had some fairly significant re-construction activity in the 5th cent. AD. Try a search on it.
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This is kind of on topic (but a bit off to the side ). I really enjoyed reading Mark Twains A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court. In fact, I wrote my English paper on it last year. It's mainly a satire of King Arthur's legends/times, the Roman Catholic Church (my paper topic), and some other stuff...hmm...
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So is that Spock!
Anyway, you know who I wish got more camera time? King Arthur! Does it make any sense to anyone that he is one of the main characters who graces an Arthurian legend's pages the least? I also have yet to read one from his point of view as well. Okay, the narrator dying at the end would be rather awkward, but how cool would it be to read one from Arthur's own point of view!? Sir Bedwyr and Guinevere are the most believable narrators.
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It's quite humurous. I mean...yes it's pretty critical of things--if you don't realize how so much of its satire is well...satire, and often reflecting of Clemen's personal views (which weren't exactly perfect...) it could come across pretty bad. If you read it knowing what it is though its excellent.
My paper, for example, is all about its satire of the Catholic Church--it points out all sorts of stuff Twain missed, or reflections of the time (around when it was written anti-Catholicism in the U.S. was at an all time high due to things like immigration). I hope that made sense. I suggest you check out this website: http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/railto...e/cyhompg.html .
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That does make sense I had the impression that it was one of those "let's put an American in Ye Olde England and see how stupid everybody looks" comedies (like a very bad Hollywood film...) but I'm sure it is more than that In fact that site says it's perhaps his most complex book. Interesting.
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Are you saying "A Conneticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court" isn't actually about a Conneticut Yankee in King Arthur's court? Or it makes fun of Arthurian legends? If either is the case, sounds dumb to me. But I would like to know more about it. (Were you thinking of "A Kid in King Arthur's Court" sun-star. But this is about book here. )
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Okay, I'll read the link a little more thourouglly. And the book... I think I actually started it.
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What do you guys think it is about Arthurian legends that make them so timeless? I mean 1500 years after the events took place and we're still talking about them!
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