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I would venture to guess that we all stereotype groups of people to some extent - by religion, nationality, (ED: age), ethnicity - even body size and shape. It greatly simplifies life by giving us a starting point. What is then important is to find out how accurate our notions can be held across a group - and (probably most important) to allow for individual differences.
Stereotyping has some validity... it's just very important to understand its limitations. Brownjenkins - do you think you do no stereotyping whatsoever? Anyway - back to the matter at hand... what does this whole episode say to you, brownjenkins and gaffer? This fellow from France makes this joke, gets this particular punishment, then gets the treatment described when he gets home. How would you describe or explain it? And what do you think about his case in particular? Was he treated justly or not? Last edited by Valandil : 02-02-2004 at 02:34 PM. |
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Well, as I said, I think the bloke is clearly an idiot, the punishment was probably slightly over the top (though not having been there I wouldn't like to comment too definitively) and the reception he allegedly got back home is just stupid.
Of course, we all do stereotyping; it's a natural facet of human experience to generalise from one experience to another. However, to actively seek out confirming evidence of one's stereotypes and gleefully parade it in public to whip up antipathy towards a particular group is, IMO, nasty, malicious and psychologically suspect. |
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As for your comments regarding about Europeans judging us off of say Fox News - they do it all the time. The Gaffer does it (which I will get to his post) and many others do it. How many times do I have to hear about neo-conservatives and right wing fanatics on this board when they're describing America. Europe gets their news through their filtered media that shows them what they want to show and this how Europe develops their opinion of us..
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Oh- and I don't think that if you agree with the Bush administration that you are anti-American. Nor do I think if you disagree with them that you are anti-American. if you said nothing but negative things about America - then yes - I think you are anti-American.
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Like I have always wanted to do. For your information - I always wanted a satelite dish (the old large ones) so I could get all the news channels in the world and watch them. I discovered when a friend got a satelite dish - that you can't really do that. So I can understand other countries. I know that is something that you can't understand though and refuse to accept.
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Pffft!
Btw JD - have you watched Heavenly Creatures yet? You're not allowed to call PJ a hack anymore until you do! But really, you should watch it - spend a couple of hours away from the moot, maybe work on your web page after...
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we all stereotype from time to time (even me), i just believe it is a bad thing that one should admit about one's self and try to work against... try to make it the exception instead of the norm... the old "put yourself in the other person's shoes thing"
c'est la vie on the rest... it was a bad idea to joke in that kind of situation, but a fine should have been enough it kind of reminds me of the recent incident in south america where some angry american pilot gave an inspector the finger because he was mad about having to go through security, and got fined and thrown in jail as a result... again, stupid move, but the reaction was over the top but we've made our bed and will have to sleep in it when it comes to international relationships, fear breeds fear
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That French guy is a moron. You just don't joke to the stewardess about having bombs on a plane. I think he deserved well the treatment that he got (assuming that an American behaving the same way would get the same punishment too).
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Earniel: I have no desire to personalise this debate, but I've been openly accused of bigotry and arrogance and would like to respond.
Just because I disagree with some self-appointed cultural spokesperson, of limited wisdom and less tolerance, doesn't mean I have a problem with Americans; I'm confident that most of you understand that. On the contrary, I've greatly enjoyed being friends and colleagues with many Americans over the years. EDIT: oh, and when I say "many", I mean over a hundred. Last edited by The Gaffer : 02-03-2004 at 08:34 AM. |
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Sercurity is acually still really lack. For example, beofe christmas i was going on a flight from Edinburgh to Dublin. When we got on the plane we sat opposite this man and his elderly mother. When the staff asked to see his ticket he said ' I dont have one, im just helping my mother on the plane '. So somehow, he had gotton through to the departure gate, on the plane, and without anyone noticing. Does this not sound a little bad to anyone else? Anyway he got taken off the plane and i dont know what happened...
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