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Outside of that though, I've been in agreement with Bush on a number of other issues as well, such as Iraq, the War on Terror, the improvements in national security (and continual improvement). Overall, I think our country is much more aware and safer than it was and has been for a long time. Of course there is room for improvement, but even in the best situation there is always room for improvement. Now, there are some things I disagree with Bush on, but for the most part I like and agree with everything he's done. I also don't think Gore would have been as effective in the same situation Bush was put in with 9/11. I mean it's one thing to have something like this happen as a President, but to have it happen in the first year on the job would normally have bigger disaster written all over it, but thankfully it didn't come to that. I also think it would be bad for the country to change directions in leadership in such an important time in American and World history. The next 5-10 years are going to probably be the most important time for all of us and for our kids and their kids, compared to comparable times in history. I know I didn't go into great detail here, but does that answer it better for you?
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Dúnedain - hard to believe that YOU voted for Al Bore. But as I said before - you shouldn't claim you know anyone - particularly their politics - just because of what they post here.
I didn't particularly want Bush - in the primaries I was really upset he won. I wanted McCain who is more moderate. But I think Bush has done a remarkable job. As you said - 9/11 came after only 9 months into his presidency. This from the person so many people here are claiming is ignorant, stupid and inexperienced. He handled 9/11 remarkably well. People outside the US amy disagree with iraq and his handling of the "allies" and the UN - but that is from outsiders. The majority of Americans supported and still support the Iraq war. Democratic candidates who want to turn over the welfare of the US to an international body as incompetent as the UN doesn't have a chance for the election I think. They can argue about how much the UN should have been in charge and stuff - but the UN only has a 30% approval rating in the US. Not much of a rallying cry there.
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Why doesn't Iowa just have a regular vote? This caucus method seems too complicated.
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I read everyone's posts, but I'm really behind so I'll just comment on one or two. This thread has even faster posts then the "Gays, Lesbians, and Bisexuals" thread!
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I would like to see Bush, as the leader of the country, encourage the states to acknowledge gay rights, and be a vocal supporter. It would be very important to the gay rights movement. If he is actively anti-gay, then I still disagree with him. Go New Jersey and the 4 other states! California is one of the other 4 right? I think they were the first. (In Canada, it is a national issue.) Quote:
Jean Chrétien is not a Chirac clone. The only similarity they possess is not supporting the war on Iraq. Trust me, Jean Chrétien is very much his own person and unique. I don't actually know of an instance where he said Americans were bastards or any insult. If he has, then I'd appreciate a quote to show that I'm wrong. (Or the quote from any other politician who was insulting you.) Quote:
By the way IR, were you referring to the incident where his daughters were drunk or something like that? That doesn't necessarily mean he doesn't have good family values. Why were you asking about the Iowa caucus gdl96? Are they the only state that does that?
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There was something wrong with your link. I went to the one where Carolyn Parrish insulted the US, but the one to "No Child Left Behind" goes to the same place.
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Let's replace "marriage" with "civil union". The two terms have different meanings. A civil union is what everyone has to make there marriage legal. You can get "married" at the courts if you don't want a church ceremony. It would be a civil union making you legally married. Would Bush support this for gay people? If he did, I would agree that he is not anti-gay. If he did not, the message I receive from that is "I am not against you, I just don't believe you should have the same rights as straight people, and will essentially treat you like second class citizens." Edit: Oops, I meant to comment on Caroly Parrish too. She was in the wrong insulting Americans, but that does not necessarily reflect Chrétien's views. In addition, this was on the SARS issue, and had nothing to do with the softwood lumber dispute. As far as I know, Parrish isn't involved in that dispute at all. I fail to see any reason why the tarriff should not be lifted.
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The policy was essentially that enough lumber had to be harvested so that mills in small towns would have enough lumber to stay open, and ensuring that no jobs would be cut. We don't do that anymore, so the original reason no longer exists. Besides, don't two (at least) rulings from the WTO mean anything to the US?
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The issue is betwen the US and Canada - not between anyone else in the world. You shouldn't have been so concerned about your mills closing down at the detriment of American mills and jobs. Everyone thinks they can just dump their products on our markets - the japanese steel, you and your lumber, etc. without having and reprocusions. We will negotiate with Canada - just like we negotiate with ALL our trading partners and that is not through an international body.
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So - I guess too - which is interesting because you have said that Rian doesn't hate gays in the gay thread - that actually you feel that she DOES hate gays. She does not believe in gay marriage and she even thinks that homosexual relationshiops are wrong. now please go into the gay thread and tell her that you think she and all people who don't want gay marriage/unions hate gays.
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