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In response to your other post about condoms, it's still considered sex because there is
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How interesting that of all areas, THIS is the one where society does NOT encourage young people to aim for what is best. Instead, it is more 'resigned' to a lesser standard, as you say, Janny.
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Teaching safe sex rather than abstinance, that is.
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"safe sex"?!?!
AAAAHHHHHHhhhhhhhhh!!! "safer" sex, not "safe" sex, please - let's not mislead anyone!
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Geez, I don't even get a "welcome back" for my temporary return?
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Sorry - the "safe sex" myth is just one of my hot buttons -
WELCOME BACK, SMINTY!!! Nice to see you again!! How are things?
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç å ™ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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SMINTY! ::does a jig::
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We have a gun. Actually we have several. We control access to it.
We keep the ammo in a separate place. We control access to it. Millane, I see your point, but as a parent, I have control over what my kids are exposed to when they are very young. I think Janny was just saying that he thinks kids don't need to be exposed to this type of information as young as they currently are. They definitely need to hear good, accurate info on the subject, BEFORE the hormones kick in, but not at, say, age 6, IMO.
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Who has sex education at age six? I mean, yeah, if a/my child asked where babies came from at that age, I would give the basics, but not go into detail. The first actual sex education I can remember having was in fourth grade (9-10 years old), and you're parents were given notes and could request you didn't watch the videos. They really weren't even all that graphic...just talking about things a little more in depth in a scientific way, and touched on pubertal changes. Then we could write anonymous questions and have them answered by the school counselor.
I think 9-10 is a good age. Around there is when "crushes" and such start, even if hormones aren't raging...it's kind of like the very beginning of awareness of the opposite sex. Also, anymore, it's not too unusual for girls to begin puberty around that age.
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Children can be (and are) given an education which results in them following parental orders. It is not some unattainable... er... plateau. I think I first had sex education in year 5... which is 9 - 10 as well. I don't think the education wa particularly bad at this point, it struck as more scientific than moral. But as 9/10 year olds we had crushes, but we didn't want to watch videos with naked people on them. IMH(uninformed)O children don't even make the connection between crushes and sexual attraction until maybe three, four years later. Starr, you mention puberty and I think that it is of course important to teach children about their bodies... and in retrospect, this is what the sex ed in primary school did. In secondary school at 12 or 13 the actual morality kicked in. Or the non-morality. I just think it's wrong to introduce the possibility of it to hormonal 13 year olds. I understand that without sex ed at that point, children learn from their peers, but in my experoence the way it works now, it just seems like the state is sanctioning it.
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They don't have sexual education in any form at my highschool. It's pretty terrible. I got more than enough in seventh grade, but it wasn't really relevant then. I got initial, brief sex ed from my mom when I was 8 or 9, as my parents are open to answering questions when kids begin to ask them regarding that matter. It's kind of weird, seeing sexually mature children. I was pretty early myself, but it's a little unsettling seeing 5th and 6th graders with larger breasts than mine. It may not be saying much, but still. They need to take all those hormones out of food, children are looking like adults too fast, while their minds are still too young.
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Not teaching sex education leads to beliefs like "If we have sex standing up I can't get pregnant!" and thus, babies!
It's sad, but some 13/14 year olds are going to have sex whether or not there's sex education in school. They learn about things from older peers that may not be well informed. If anything, sex ed SCARED me, because we had to view an actual birth ::shudder...ow:: and go over different STDs that were NOT fun to read about or imagine. Abstinence wasn't completely left out, either. In fact, our instructor (and this was in ninth grade, so 14/15 year olds) stressed that abstinence is the only real way to completely prevent pregancy and STDs, and pointed out many of the myths that kids that age believe about sex. I was fairly well informed (my mother is a nurse and not shy about this topic, and I had a few books throughout junior high that she bought for me as well) and was amazed at how misinformed many of my classmates were.
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Well, it may not be just the hormones in food. The fact that in more developed countries we get better food than we did thousands of years ago is leading to early puberty, and apparently girls whose fathers aren't active in their life tend to go through puberty earlier as well (and that is sadly becoming more and more common).
But yes...I only drink milk if it's from a free range, no hormone cow. I don't like the stuff anyway.
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