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not only that... but the implication would be that anything some group of people did not like would be wrong
plus, nobody is forced to watch the superbowl... or even tv for that matter... it works for the amish
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Back to this though, I disagree with equating what happened to rape (EDIT: though I do get what Rian is saying about it), but still object to it strongly. It was totally inappropriate. As I said before, I intended to watch a football game, not a peep show - and had no idea (nor any reason to suppose) that I'd get the latter along with it. It was wrong. Further, it 'raises the bar' for the NEXT publicity-starved celebrity to do the NEXT big-time stunt for shock value. I'm tired of being shocked... it's beginning to wear on me. Last edited by Valandil : 02-06-2004 at 05:12 PM. |
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though it didn't bother me (or my kids) much... one thing i do agree with is that people should be able to know what to expect to see on tv and be able to control it if they wish to
i'd rather see tv even more open than it is today, but ratings and the ability to block programming if you so choose should also be more accessible with today's technology, i wouldn't be surprised if we see this happen over the coming years
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02-06-2004, 11:44 AM | #45 |
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Yes, an isn't there also some stats on how many simulated murders a child will have seen by the time they reach adulthood? It's funny how violence is perceived to be more acceptable (in general: not suggesting that anyone here has that view) than sex.
Another thought, as someone who is fairly ignorant of American Football, is that I associate cheerleaders with the entertainment that goes along with the game. To what extent are they literally cheerleaders and to what extent are they there to provide pretty girlies for the blokes to leer at? |
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at the college level there is a certain degree of tradition to cheerleaders (male and female)... and many view it as another athletic sport (there are competitions outside of football)
in the nfl it is mostly, if not completely, eye-candy
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On the former, this is not intended as a lame defense of TV violence, but the violence is at least (generally) depicted as something wrong which bears consequences. TV depicts sex as lacking consequences. The violence is still bad (and not depicted as 'wrong' when performed by a 'good guy' on 'bad guys') and has a severe desensitizing effect on our children, IMO. |
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I agree with you there. Mostly, violence is depicted as being OK, even desirable, as long as you are the good guy.
I'm not sure about the desensitisation thing. I think it's worse with sex than with violence. Kids are very good (IMO) at telling the difference between depictions of violence and real life. Sexual imagery is much more pervasive, and associated with all sorts of messages (smoke these tabs and you'll get to do it with all these women). I wonder if that contributes more to the commoditisation of sex (which I guess would be at the root of objections to JJ's flashing incident) than an explicit nipple-showing. Last edited by The Gaffer : 02-06-2004 at 12:07 PM. |
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I'm sure plenty of people DID enjoy it, which is entirely their business, but there are also plenty of people that, if you would have asked them, would have emphatically DECLINED to see her breast, and so forcing it on them in a deceptive manner (IOW, the show on tv was the Super Bowl, not "let's see Janet's boob!") was wrong, IMO. Thank goodness my husband and son think half-time shows are silly, and they always go outside during halftime to toss the football around. If you, personally, think there was nothing wrong with it, then there's no logical reason for you to feel "dirty" at all! (and this brings up the whole question of God's implanting a moral code in people's hearts - IOW, why DID you feel "dirty" if you have no logical objections to seeing a woman's breast? But that's another thread ... ) And I certainly wasn't trying to make you feel that way. If you do what you think is right, then good for you!! Please remember, people, that I DID say that it wasn't equivalent, but just in the same class, as rape, in terms of power and forcing things that aren't wanted. BTW, I think the human body is incredibly beautiful - it's just that I think it is so special, that it should be saved only for your spouse.
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And as far as advertising, that's what the tv remote control is for - if it's stupid enough, we change channels. Again, the choice is ours, and we know that there is no nudity allowed in commercials.
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You must have QUITE an imagination then.
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And back when it was wrong to show ankles, then it would have been equally wrong for a well-known woman to invite people to a children's party, then during the middle of telling a children's story, intentionally lift her dress and show her ankles, knowing that it would grieve and distress people. It's the same thing - misuse of power to intentionally deceive and hurt people. And again, it's nowhere near as bad as rape. Rape is truly a horrible thing, and I imagine most women have a fear of it; I know that I do. I can imagine few things worse than rape. But the point was it was the same TYPE of offense, IMO. Just something to think about, that's all. But I think I'm right
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good to see you back among the postin' btw
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