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OTOH, the method of their response indicts the Chechens... at least these who would plot and carry out such an act. Besides, there were Arabs among the militants, as well as Chechens - and hints that there was al Queida funding involved. Russia has been concerned for some time that al Queida has gotten involved in Chechnya. That broadens the whole situation - because al Queida's objectives go far beyond simple independence for Chechnya.
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09-04-2004, 08:55 AM | #43 |
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The Russians may be out of order, but terrorism is terrorism. There are no excuses for what the Cheychans (sp.) did.
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09-04-2004, 11:23 AM | #47 |
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Besides the Russian people have suffered under lousy governments for centuries so THEY are NOT at fault. THAT was what I was saying. IT IS the Russian GOVERNMENT which has caused this mess, NOT the people.
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09-04-2004, 11:37 AM | #48 |
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If thats what these people are like then the Russian Government was right to employ Chechnya because I wouldn't want people like that to be able to rule a country.
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So. It will go on indefinitely. The policy of the Russian government will cause the Russian people a lot of endless grief. |
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I dont think throwing blame around is appropriate at this time, we all know the olsd Soviet and Russian governments have done some awful things in the past, but lets face it, who can hold their hand up and say that their leaders are not crooked, inept, self righteous and usually pretty stupid. Bush, Blair and Putin are a sad tired joke. As Michael Parkinson once said " Any person wanting to become a politician should be automatically barred from doing so ".
I have to say as well, I have never heard anything but sympathy for those murdered in the Twin Towers attrocity, certainly not "they deserved it ".
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09-04-2004, 12:54 PM | #55 |
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No country wants parts of it break away from the whole. Maybe I was wrong to blame the Russian government solely for Chechnyan situation.
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you must know an awful lot of people in Europe. I try my best not to be overtly judgemental about different countries, I think that is the best policy all round. I dont actually know any Americans but I see and hear some on the mass media, I tend to hear more from / about the more famous / infamous sections of the country i.e. politicians, media stars and sportsmen and women - I dont class these as " average americans ". Im sure Americans are as diverse as any society you can mention, good and bad, as are Europeans.
the actual word european is a bit rediculous as we are not one encompassing super state, we want different things and we pull in different directions, there is quite a bit of animosity between the member states and the only reason most have joined together is financial. The Brits moan about the Germans and the French, the French and Germans moan about the Brits and the Dutch, everyone moans about the Balkan states, its a bit of a croc really. That is just a long winded way of saying " dont judge a nation by what some stupid politician says ". Politicians dont represent us, the people, they never have and they never will.
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09-04-2004, 01:39 PM | #57 |
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I don't think the Russian government can be blamed at all. If every one with a grudge against a country showed it like that then by now there would be no more people to take it out on.
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[edit] Oh - and I'm not nearly as judgemental as many people may think on entmoot. But I will state things that I hear that come from other countries - just like many people like to talk and be judgemental of America. And I never said that it was all europeans who made such statements - I just said that I have heard europeans as well as others around the world make similar statements about the United States as Grey Wolf was making about Russia. That is a fact. You may not like the fact - but it doesn't mean that some people in Europe haven't made such statements regarding the attacks against us. Quote:
Most of the outside world has NO understanding of the United States and how the states are basically individual countries under one constitution. Similar to the EU - the EU is moving in that direction. And with the expansion of the EU - it is very appropriate to say Europeans just as everyone refers to us as Americans under one umbrella. Quote:
This is getting off topic and since I am not active on entmoot anymore - I don't wish to get into a conversation about this. Especially on this thead about the children. If you want to talk about this you can IM, e-mail or *cringe* PM. The only reason I posted on this thread at all - was so I could let people know that their is an organization taking donations for the children if anyone is interested in that.
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i really dont think this is the correct place for sarcasm, its a little bit sad dont you think ? I will terminate this discussion from my end as I feel the arguament is silly and there is a more important issue being discussed here
i.e. innocent children being massacred, and Im really not bothered what country they come from, I would feel the same if they were children from the USA , Russia or Iraq.
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