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If you want to go after israel- go after them - but don't purposely target innocent people. There is a big difference. We did not target civilians - unlike the palestinians. Quote:
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BTW - I'm atheist so I think it's all a bunch of crap basically. I don't care if others believe - just don't look down on me for not believing or force your beliefs on me. More wars and fanticism has been the result of religion than anything else.
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So when is the Middle East really going to move into the 20th century and stop always playing the victim? It's time for the Middle East to take some responsibility for themselves and stop blaiming the west and Israel. I know it's easy - but they should grow up already and work at making their lives better - instead of putting all their money and resources into blowing up innocent people. The rest of the Middle East can do A LOT of the Palestinians by building schools adn so forth - instead they funnel their money to the bombers.
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Somebody comes to your country, takes your land, and when you fight back you're the aggressor? If the world felt so guilty about what the Germans did to the Jews they should have been given Bavaria or Saxony. Given that, the Palestinians were foolish not to accept the Camp Davd accords- with the strength of Israel now and into the foreseeable future, 30% of a loaf is better than crumbs, even if it was your loaf to start with.
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Thank you, last sane person, for an excellent contribution.
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(Still, that doesn't make good TV, so let's go out and find some loonies waving towels) When people get together, they can psyche themselves up to do inhuman things (see Hazing thread). The drunks in the bar and the extremists in the strip of desert are all people and under the influence of the same drug: they have dissociated themselves from the humanity of the victims of the violence they're celebrating. The broad brush generalisations that this thread was intended to address are the first step along the way to attaining this despicable state of mind. |
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10-16-2003, 05:16 AM | #46 |
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Once again JD has turned this thread round into a US vs everyone thread ill admit mate im getting really tired of this happens everytime! Its boring and has been done a thousand times
The point of this thread is to discuss the growing racism toward Muslims people and how the media and the people of the world now see them! Does someone say Muslim and you think terrorist, treat women badly, backward? Because thats what im finding on the street in England and it worries me. This is not another thread for the disscussion of 9/11 realted issues or americas involvment in the middle east! Also what can be done by both sides to solves this problem before it escalates into a truely massive problem. I can see race wars both at home and away be the major problem this century
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Hear hear!
Some easy steps: Programming: 1) Repeat after me: "All people are humans like me." 2) Once you've got that memorised, move on to "All people are different" 3) Go to the movies. Iranian cinema is amongst the most creative and vibrant and has produced some great films recently. See how people who dress funny are in fact humans like you, yet unique, like you. Isn't life great? De-programming: 1) Discard the reactionary "they do it to us, so we have to do it to them" attitude. You are not responsible for other people's behaviour, but you are responsible for your own. Take responsibility. 2) Wake up to the fact that your natural (human) tribal impulses are being manipulated to enable the continued diversion of money from your pockets, and your children's schools, into the military-industrial elite. If you doubt this, read 1984, then watch Fox news. See if you can spot the difference. It's easy when you know how. Last edited by The Gaffer : 10-16-2003 at 06:08 AM. |
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I don't know any Muslim personally, ubt we did learnt about them in history.
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So - personally Sween - I don't care if you're tired of it. If you don't want me to respond to threads like these - then don't start them. I'm not going to keep my opinions to myself - to please you or anyone else.
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But maybe you should direct it at the Arabs in the Middle East. But of course that not a big bad ugly American, right?
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As I said - I don't have any problems with muslims. I would a friend with one - becuase I don't look at their skin color or religion. But that does not mean that I think that the attitude of the majority in the Middle East is the attitude I support.
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I think RTB has a great point. It is comman practice for terrorists to hide among the innocent, to resort to useing human shields, to use the cover of mosques, to just plain take the cowardly way out of a fight. If innocent people die in these acts, I think you have the cowardly terrorist to thank for that.
Now, to address the American war cheering, and the Palastinian celebrations of 9/11. Let's get real. When the US dropped bombs on Iraq, it was carefully aimed millitary targets. The goal was never to kill civillions, although admittedly in any war civillians unfortunately do die. I support the US's stand on Iraq, and when I watched the war unfold on tv, I was proud of the way our military conducted themselves. There is a difference between that, and cheering when 3,000 innocent people are killed maliciously. That is what I saw on 9/11 coming out of the middle-east. It isn't just limited to 9/11 either. The other day there was a US diplomatic convoy traveling through Gaza, that was blown up, and 3 Americans were killed. Those people were there to help, and that was how they were paid for their efforts. As the Palistinian police attempted to investigate the scene, Palistinian citizens reveled in the streets over more innocent American deaths. Sween, you may not have intended for this thread to become political or another 9/11 thread, but I think you will find that this topic probably cannot be discussed without those things being applied. It does tie in.
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It is great that the UN has unanymously supported the US resolution on Iraq today. Maybe now they can worry about the people of Iraq like they claim and lend a hand. We got rid of a mass murderer.
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Well, people don't forget so easily the deaths from the atom bomb in Japan, or the deaths of the German concentratin camps, but 9/11 is easily forgiven. Or is there just a big difference between the deaths of 6 million, vs 3 thousand? Is one more justified than the other? I think we should all recall the words of John Dunn, in For Whom The Bell Tolls.
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I did not cheer, I did not support the war with Iraq. And most of the people I know did not either. None of us cheered, we were horrified. So, quit lumping all Americans together into your own neat little stereotype. We are not mindless, war-mongering brutes. Grow up. Back on topic. I had a lot of empathy for the Palestinians prior to 9/11. I always wanted what was fair for them. I wanted to see them work toward peace. Then when the WTC was destroyed, and all those people were killed, the news showed them... dancing in the streets, celebrating the murder of thousands of innocent people. I was disgusted! I have no feelings for them anymore. My empathy is gone for them. I don't think they got a raw deal after all. And I don't care if Israel pushes them off the face of the Earth. They have my blessings. |
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JD, would you just listen to your self? Do you have any idea how you sound right now?
Look in the mirror you said, but have you tried it yourself lately? The more I hear you, the more indeed I think I do not understand the way Americans think and the more I think America understands little more of how we think as well. And that's really, really a shame.
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