Your personal opinions on Wargs? - Page 3

Aranwe · 02-11-2003, 01:04 PM

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the Uruk-hai were only slightly shorter than humans

The Uruk-Hai were bred to be stronger and different to other orcs - not affected by daylight etc. They were also sometimes referred to as half-orcs in the books, so they've obviously been mixed with soemthing else

The Moria orcs were a lot shorter than Men, and the orcs in the prologue were a lot shorter than the elves in the last alliance (but then elves are tall anyway...)

**Nurvingiel** · 02-11-2003, 04:36 PM

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Originally posted by Insidious Rex
sounds like the creature from An American Werewolf in London.

Really? Is that a movie or a book?

Draken LOL!

Insidious Rex · 02-11-2003, 04:51 PM

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Originally posted by Nurvingiel
Really? Is that a movie or a book?

Its a movie from the early 80's. A classic dark horror with comic undertones and a great soundtrack. An American Werewolf in London

Gwaimir Windgem · 02-11-2003, 05:46 PM

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Originally posted by Aranwe
The Uruk-Hai were bred to be stronger and different to other orcs - not affected by daylight etc. They were also sometimes referred to as half-orcs in the books, so they've obviously been mixed with soemthing else

The Moria orcs were a lot shorter than Men, and the orcs in the prologue were a lot shorter than the elves in the last alliance (but then elves are tall anyway...)

Actually, I'm pretty sure that Half-Orcs are something entirely different from Uruks; 'men with goblin-faces' I think they are described as in the books.

I think that other then Uruks, all orcs were considerably shorter then Men, which would include the ones in Moria.

Celebréiel · 02-11-2003, 05:49 PM

Theres a nice sketch of races sizes for the movie in the book 'art of the fellowship of the ring' if anyone saw it...it was kinda interesting. But yeah, I think all the orcs were smaller than men.

Wayfarer · 02-11-2003, 06:10 PM

The Uruk-Hai were not, in the books, the same things as half orcs. The Uruk-Hai were bred by sauron, and they were simply a larger, hardier race of orcs who were acclimated to life aboveground.

The Half-Orcs that were interbred with the dunlendings were in many cases able to pass as men. The squinty-eyed-southerner in bree is an example, as are the ruffians in the scouring of the shire. They were larger than orcs, but they were not the steroidal monstrosities that were shown in the film, they would have been humans with an orc like cast to their features.

Aranwe · 02-11-2003, 07:01 PM

But in the movie I'm pretty sure that Gandalf ( i think it was gandalf) says somethign like "Saruman has crossed orcs with goblin-men (the half-orcs, I assumed) that can travel at great speed in daylight" or something like that... don't have the dvd handy so I can't check.

My earlier post is pretty confusing now that I re-read it

sorry bout that

Meriadoc · 02-14-2003, 10:28 PM

I think the wargs were cool

Peter Jackson did a great job on them I was emmprest.

Orcrist · 02-17-2003, 01:06 PM

I thought that the Wargs would be big bad wolves.

*starts to hum "who's afraid of the big bad wolf"*

....... And I also thought Shadowfax would be HUGE and white and sparkly. Kind of.

But I thought that the Uruk-Hai's would be bigger then men, and that they would be pretty gormless, and only obey their commands. Oops!

Edro · 02-17-2003, 10:09 PM

I never really had a good mental picture of the wargs.. somewhat like wolves but really dark gray.. and bigger. but that was it.

as for the Uruk-Hai, they were supposed to be "man-high" and look like a cross between men and orcs. i thought they did. but the orcs were to slimy.

this is kinda stupid, but i always thought that orcs kinda sent out spores and the spores fell into orcy breeding holes and new orcs popped outa the mud. after all you never see any female orcs.

Lollypopgurl · 02-17-2003, 11:43 PM

Didn't Tolkien write somewhere that Elves and Orcs "breed the same way"? *Tries to imagine baby Elrond falling out of a mud hole* o_O

**Nurvingiel** · 02-18-2003, 02:53 AM

The concept of Elrond as a baby is hard enough...

Welcome to the Moot Edro! My mental image of Wargs is similar to yours, and also a bit fuzzy. My Wargs certainly did not look like motley, defective hyenas though.

Black Breathalizer · 02-18-2003, 07:31 AM

I was not too keen on Jackson's version of wargs but I thought all the various types of orcs were dead-on perfect. One of the best things he did was give us a number of different types of orcs rather than having all of them look alike. I hated the pig-snouted orc clones of Bakshi's film version.

Merlin · 02-20-2003, 07:53 PM

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Originally posted by azalea
I just had to laugh after reading your closing "cheers" written after that nice comforting description of wargs.

But, he always does that, or maybe he's a she. Any ways I thought the wargs looked like bears. The first time I saw them I thought they were bears! Anyone agree?

Gwaimir Windgem · 02-20-2003, 08:24 PM

That's a she.

At least, I think so. If it's samwise of the shire, it's a she. If it's Dunadan, then I believe it's a he.

gimli7410 · 02-20-2003, 10:53 PM

i thoguht the wargs looked great and the moved like wolves ne way and they r from middle earth which in tolkiens mind is different from normal earth

GrayMouser · 02-21-2003, 03:30 AM

Nope, didn't like the Wargs- Wargs should be wolves, not hyenas.

Also, they seemed to move too fast; the horses seemed greatly outclassed- it made the victory of the Rohirrim look unrealistic.

Gwaimir Windgem · 02-21-2003, 11:52 AM

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Originally posted by gimli7410
i thoguht the wargs looked great and the moved like wolves ne way and they r from middle earth which in tolkiens mind is different from normal earth

No, it isn't. Please learn a bit before making assumptions. The
Wargs were MOST un-Wargish. They may have been 'cool monsters' (which IMO they weren't, particularly), but they were not Wargs.

gollum9630 · 02-22-2003, 04:57 PM

they looked ok, but they did not look like wolves. I figured out what they were ny the goblins riding them, and i had to tell that to my brother who had no clue what they were

Elf Girl · 02-22-2003, 05:23 PM

In the Hobbit, "wolves" and "Wargs" is used interchangebly for the Warg-ish breed of wolf.

Wow that was a pointless post.

02-11-2003, 05:49 PM	#45
Celebréiel Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: A house! Posts: 376	Theres a nice sketch of races sizes for the movie in the book 'art of the fellowship of the ring' if anyone saw it...it was kinda interesting. But yeah, I think all the orcs were smaller than men. __________________ Peace Yeah, Your an individual...just like everyone else. http://cartalien.deviantart.com/ - Arty goodness

02-11-2003, 06:10 PM	#46
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	A Nigglers Note; The Uruk-Hai were not, in the books, the same things as half orcs. The Uruk-Hai were bred by sauron, and they were simply a larger, hardier race of orcs who were acclimated to life aboveground. The Half-Orcs that were interbred with the dunlendings were in many cases able to pass as men. The squinty-eyed-southerner in bree is an example, as are the ruffians in the scouring of the shire. They were larger than orcs, but they were not the steroidal monstrosities that were shown in the film, they would have been humans with an orc like cast to their features. __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

02-17-2003, 01:06 PM	#49
Orcrist Sapling Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Aha! Wouldn't you like to know? Posts: 6	I thought that the Wargs would be big bad wolves. starts to hum "who's afraid of the big bad wolf" ....... And I also thought Shadowfax would be HUGE and white and sparkly. Kind of. But I thought that the Uruk-Hai's would be bigger then men, and that they would be pretty gormless, and only obey their commands. Oops! __________________ Home is behind The world ahead and there are many paths to tread. Through shadow To the edge of night Until the stars are all alight Mist and shadow Cloud and shape Hope shall fail All shall fade.

02-17-2003, 10:09 PM	#50
Edro Sapling Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: West Virginia, USA Posts: 10	I never really had a good mental picture of the wargs.. somewhat like wolves but really dark gray.. and bigger. but that was it. as for the Uruk-Hai, they were supposed to be "man-high" and look like a cross between men and orcs. i thought they did. but the orcs were to slimy. this is kinda stupid, but i always thought that orcs kinda sent out spores and the spores fell into orcy breeding holes and new orcs popped outa the mud. after all you never see any female orcs. __________________ "Bumper stickers are like little nuggets of truth."

02-17-2003, 11:43 PM	#51
Lollypopgurl Elven Warrior Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 222	Didn't Tolkien write somewhere that Elves and Orcs "breed the same way"? Tries to imagine baby Elrond falling out of a mud hole o_O __________________ a violinist...

02-11-2003, 07:01 PM	#47
Aranwe Enting Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 55	But in the movie I'm pretty sure that Gandalf ( i think it was gandalf) says somethign like "Saruman has crossed orcs with goblin-men (the half-orcs, I assumed) that can travel at great speed in daylight" or something like that... don't have the dvd handy so I can't check. My earlier post is pretty confusing now that I re-read it sorry bout that

02-14-2003, 10:28 PM	#48
Meriadoc Hobbit Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Rían's house! Posts: 19	I think the wargs were cool Peter Jackson did a great job on them I was emmprest.

02-18-2003, 07:31 AM	#53
Black Breathalizer Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 828	I was not too keen on Jackson's version of wargs but I thought all the various types of orcs were dead-on perfect. One of the best things he did was give us a number of different types of orcs rather than having all of them look alike. I hated the pig-snouted orc clones of Bakshi's film version.

02-20-2003, 08:24 PM	#55
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	That's a she. At least, I think so. If it's samwise of the shire, it's a she. If it's Dunadan, then I believe it's a he. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

02-20-2003, 10:53 PM	#56
gimli7410 the dumb stoner canuck Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: canada Posts: 2,542	i thoguht the wargs looked great and the moved like wolves ne way and they r from middle earth which in tolkiens mind is different from normal earth __________________ -"Down with the system"-Serj tankian of system of a down -“Humans have been on the earth for millions of years, yet we don’t believe man began thinking until he started building walls. And what good have these walls ever done us?”-Serj tankian of soad -"stupid people do stupid things"-Serj tankian of soad "Trying is the first step to failure" Homer Simpson "It isn't going to be easy"-jerseydevil "only the good die young" I AM CANADIAN If the people lead, the leaders will follow.

02-21-2003, 03:30 AM	#57
GrayMouser Elf Lord Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Ilha Formosa Posts: 2,068	Nope, didn't like the Wargs- Wargs should be wolves, not hyenas. Also, they seemed to move too fast; the horses seemed greatly outclassed- it made the victory of the Rohirrim look unrealistic. __________________ Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep. Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man; But will they come when you do call for them? "I like pigs. Dogs look up to us, cats look down on us, but pigs treat us as equals."- Winston Churchill

02-22-2003, 04:57 PM	#59
gollum9630 Canadian Guy. Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: The true North Strong and Free Posts: 1,513	they looked ok, but they did not look like wolves. I figured out what they were ny the goblins riding them, and i had to tell that to my brother who had no clue what they were

02-22-2003, 05:23 PM	#60
Elf Girl Lurker Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lothlórien Posts: 3,419	In the Hobbit, "wolves" and "Wargs" is used interchangebly for the Warg-ish breed of wolf. Wow that was a pointless post. __________________ There's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium...

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