09-04-2002, 11:58 PM | #41 |
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I just thought of something else.
In New Zealand, the state often buys out farmers who have wetland niches on their land. This is also true of coastal regions, that contribute to marine reserves. There should be more funding to this sort of thing.
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I'm just stating my opinion though. I'd rather pay higher taxes to work with what we've got, than pander to the corporations. That's just me. *shrug*
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09-05-2002, 05:41 PM | #45 |
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KILL THE BABIES! SAVE THE WHALES!
Honistly, animal rightes are redicuolious. Think of you favorite animal. How would you feel is a *insert favorite animal here* was being born and during the birth process, the doctor jammed some sissors into the animals skull and made a hole, and then used a vacuum-like device to suck it's brains out? Well, it happens to human babies every day... http://www.nrlc.org/abortion/ASMF/asmf10.html |
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And as per usual Emplynx comes along, oversimplifies everything, and drags everything off topic.
*Insert suitable flame here.*
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Me thinks that Emplynx and JD only know the extreme environmentalists. No offence meant but there are a lot more of honest environmentalists who devote their lives to protect biodiversity without infringing on the livelyhood of the human population. Don't judge them all because of a couple of fanatics.
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But in my opinion Green Peace is too fanatical and Sierra Club can be very fanatical too - especially in the west.
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As a human animal, I think all other animals have the right to be served with the proper sauce.
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Costs, anyway you see it. If you do protect the environment, we have to pay for it (as consumers and tax payers) If you don’t protect the environment, we have to pay to clean the mess afterwards (as taxpayers, consumers or worse, with our health).
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Government regulation on everything isn't always the way to go - as Portland so plainly demostrates. It develps HUGE inefficient and expensive bureaucracies. New Jersey and several other northeast states are in lawsuits against several midwest states for the pollution that their power plants produce. Many people around the country feels that New Jersey is a highly polluted state - they don't realise that 1/3 of all our pllution comes from the power plants west of us. Quote:
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part II
This is one of the reasons I'm against electric cars. True the cars aren't producing pollution - but the power plants that produce the electricity to recharge the batteries do. All electric cars do is just pass the pollution on to the power plants - where most people don't see it. Hybrid cars (such as the Honda Civic Hybrid)- although still using gas for some power - recharge their own batteries (they never have to be plugged in). See how it works at How Things Work website. Once the technology improves - the cars will come down in price. However, I don't think they are out of range (the Honda Civic Hybrid starts at $19,500) - considering the tax rebates and the savings in gas.
People also don't have to buy SUVs that only need to conform to truck regulations that get 20mpg versus a car which is required to get 27mpg. Everyone that has an SUV or truck has chosen to ignore the fact that they are polluting the environment. I choose to pay extra to have nonpolluting electricity. New Jersey has given me the choice through the New Jersey Energy Choice Program and I have chosen. Many others - if they truly care about the environment can do the same or similar things. People don't have to be dictated to by the government. Also - New Jersey as well as the federal government give tax deductions for buying alternative fuel vehicles - Alt. Fuel Vehicle Rebate. Green Mountain just opened up a new solar farm in New Jersey last month. It's on top of the roof of a Home Depot or similar store. This is a good use of wasted roof space and it means that trees and land does not have to be destroyed to make way for solar farms.
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Animals have the right to be eaten.
And skinned. And subjected to tests. Humans are animals. yum.
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JD, That reminds me how some extremist “ecologists” can be illogical. Around here we use dams to produce most our electric power (we actually export some of it to our neighbouring country, Spain). It is clean, non-polluting, and also allows us to make good water reserves. It would be expected they would see it at the very least as the “less evil” way of producing electricity right? Well, now they complain how the dams disrupt natural equilibrium, and demand they stop being built, and some even demand that a number of dams should be dismantled. Frankly, give me a break.
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I shall forevermore remember this moment of generalisation. And when I get to New Jersey I shall burn down your appartment. In an environmentally friendly way of course.
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