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Okay, perhaps I have a skewed perspective on the matter. I know it's odd, but I think it's what characters I identify with. I definitely identify with Feanor. Older sibling, who wants all the parent's attention. Very prideful and selfish. Etc. I am a bit like him in that regard. I identify less with the people his actions affected...okay, not quite, because his actions affected everyone. But I can see making those compulsive, selfish, vain decisions that end up really harming other people (fear me). Anyway, about Eol, well, I also identify more with Aredhel, or at least Aredhel before she meets Eol. Feeling caged, etc. I know I would be really, really mad if someone did that to me--entrapping me and all. I know it doesn't quite make sense, that I say Eol is a villain and Feanor is not.
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I'd damned well rather be entrapped and ensnared - who knows, I might enjoy it - than brutally murdered, or held to a doom-fulled oath. The lesser of the evils, wouldn't you say?
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Hey BoP. I like it when you are hot and bothered.
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BoP--all the Sindar, it seemed, had 'issues' with the Noldor, and yes for good reason. But I think Eol perhaps rather overdid it? Okay, I wouldn't want to be entrapped and ensnared. Personally, I would rather be murdered. I don't know about being held to a doomed oath, though.
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Most of the Sindar not all. Also, it was more with the Fearnorians as opposed to the Noldor.
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...which is part of my point. He had a reason for bitterness where the Feanorians were concerned, but not all the Noldor. And why, if he was so resentful of them, did he marry one?
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So he was a racist git, does that make him evil? Nope.
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Another point. He kept Aredhel and Maeglin essentially without any freedom, but when his freedom was taken away, in Gondolin when Turgon gave him the choice of remaining there or death, he became very angry. Obviously, anyone would be, but he had no thought of what he had done to others, only of himself and his 'property' (wife and son). Wait, did I have a point? Sort of, but I think it got lost somewhere; his actions here, though not admirable, are logical...sort of.
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EG, when Melian enchanted Thingol and caused many of the Teleri to miss the summons of the Valar, did that make her evil? Furthermore, I don't think that it was Eol's coming to Gondolin that caused the fall of that city. It was more due to Turgon's pride and refusing to hear the words of Tuor from Ulmo.
What I want to know is why Turgon reluctantly allowed Aredhel to leave Gondolin in the first place. This defies his own law and making an allowance just because she was his sister is no excuse and was just as risky had he allowed Eol to depart. Turgon had no way of knowing if Aredhel had been spotted leaving Gondolin the first time, or upon her return with Meaglin, or upon Eol's arrival. So what was one more time? However, it still would not have worked that way because Eol was determined to take Meaglin with him, and Meaglin was unwilling, so he would have still tried to kill him inspite of anything Turgon did. |
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