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Then we move directly into the 'Court Challenge Phase' of the Electoral Process.
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LOL Valandil. I expect that if one candidate wins by a clear margin, this phase of the election will be avoided. But if there's a chance that you might have actually won...
Does anyone want to explain the actual procedure of voting? There's some machine which punches the ballot or something? This led to the infamous dangling chad... In Canadian elections, you mark an X next to the candidate you want, and the ballots are manually counted by impartial people who don't get to vote themselves. You're also only voting for one person. But the actual system of voting is different in the USA, so maybe it makes sense that the mechanics of voting are different. What are the ballots like? Do you vote for the President and the running mate at the same time? Is this separate from electing Senators?
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In Presidential voting, the Pres and VP candidate are on the same 'ticket' - with one vote you vote for two people in those two spots, so they are truly 'running mates'... so I could not, for instance - vote for Kerry for President and Cheney for VP... nor could I turn things around and vote for Edwards or Cheney for President and Kerry or Bush for VP. What I think they still do where I vote is this... I walk thru a line until I reach a desk where they verify my voter registration and hand me a ballot. The ballot is a long vertical card... and there are many people to vote for at once - all of which goes on the card. When there is an open 'booth', I go over there and slide my card into a slot at the top of something like a fixed booklet on a tabletop. Two 'buttons' at the top secure the card in the correct position, so that all the 'punch-holes' line up with the appropriate numbers. Then, flipping through the booklet, I use a stylus-type instrument to 'punch' out the places for my candidate of choice in each race (President/VP, Senator, all kinds of representatives - to both federal and state houses, county and sometimes local officials, scads of judges, coroner, water commissioners... don't think I've ever actually had a 'dog-catcher' on the ballot). I believe the ballots used to be assembled and tabulated later that day (or regularly taken somewhere as the day went along - whatever)... but the last time or two I've voted, they take the card from me (I don't drop it into a box anymore - as I used to), and they feed it through a machine (black, smaller than a breadbox), which records and tabulates my vote instantly.
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Complex... the mystery of the dangling chad is explained. (If the stylus doesn't punch right through, that's what you would end up with!)
Thanks Valandil.
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As for automatic paper trail - explain to me - if this is such a big deal - how many of the lever machines gave you a paper reciept on how you voted? Was there any guarantees that those machines counted the votes correctly or that the machines didn't get jammed? Elections aren't perfect, people aren't perfect, machines aren't perfect. Get used to it. An election will NEVER be 100% perfect. Not one election has probably been perfect in the 200+ years we have had elections as a nation. My brother (who is in Afganistan) sent me Kerry's job application for President Quote:
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The protection of America doesn't necessarily require for you or your people or the damn french (who were in bed with Hussein anyway) to like us. Just because you don't support us - doesn't mean you have an understanding of what we are doing. What matters is that we are actively taking a position in the middle east which will work to destroy the terrorists, and bring LONG TERM peace to the Middle East. As long as we went with the status quo in the Middle East there would always be conflict there. That is what you want. I want to bring long term peace there - which requires the war on terrorism. I hope you will accept that you have no say in how our country defends itself - just like we have no say in your country. If the world is so against the US and wants to compare us to Hitler and Nazi Germany - then come on - why aren't all your countries mobilizing and fighting against us?
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George Bush made it into Harvard? Clearly, we've misunderestimated him.
I think the paper trail Valandil was referring to is the ballots themselves. I still don't see why you can't just mark an "X"...
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True, anyone who can speak on national television and keep his cool deserves credit. I just thought I'd take a friendly dig at Bush. I mean, it is kinda funny...
I actually would be a good debator. (Or maybe I like to hear the sound of my own voice. ) That's a good point about the ballots. Computer voting does raise other issues, like some people don't trust or understand computers. You don't want to introduce bias into the voting system by excluding those who don't have computers and/or are computer illiterate. I think the system would actually be quite secure, and they'd probably get enough bandwidth etc. But the potential for excluding voters is probably the biggest issue.
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I'm just wondering - after you tell me - I'll explain what it looks like and how it works. I just want to know what you think it is first.
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I presume that it's some kinda touch-screen voting via computer. If folks can't be trusted to make a simple mark in a box on a piece of paper accurately, then mebbe they will have more luck aiming a finger at a point on a screen :shrug: (I hope it isn't done via internet or summit......proxy servers are easy to get).
Looks like you are gettin' yer wish JD.....furriners are being kept out of american politics, particularly the election Get out you 'orrible furriners .... I find that action to be quite odd. And....it looks like popular (US) opinion is doubtfull of a straight run in the election as well No faith in the system Last edited by osszie : 10-28-2004 at 01:09 PM. |
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At my university, elections for the student government are done by computer. There are five (IIRC) people to vote for for different positions in the government, as well as the Board of Governors.
The website had a good layout and made sense. First, you log in to the site with your name and student ID (unique to you). Once you're verified, you're sent to the ballot site. Since there was actually more than one election IIRC (Government and Board of Governors) you first select which one you will vote in. (You could vote in both.) This brings you to the appropriate ballot. The screen has the same layout as you would expect on a ballot - it lists all the candidates and the positions for which they are running. Next to everyone's names is a check box which you select. You submit the ballot when you're done, and the site asks if you're sure. Select "yes" and you have voted via computer. The advantage to this system is the student elections are notorious for low voter turnout. All the students have computer access, and for most it's quite easy. This meant that the voter turnout was less abyssmal than it might have been (though it still wasn't great). (I voted.) After the elections, there was criticisms that the system wasn't very secure. This may be true, because another problem was that logging in was difficult. Sometimes it simply wouldn't let you log in, even though you knew you hadn't voted yet. (I think I had to try more than once, but the election was over a year ago, so I'm not sure.) I'm not sure if there was an inquiry, or what the results were. It did raise the issue that it was a problem though. And that, folks, is one way to have an on-line connection. Obviously, selecting your President that way would be a little different ie. the ballot would be different, and the site would probably work smoothly. I imagine the government would have more resources. So this is being considered in the USA, if I understand correctly? What do you think JD? EDIT: I cross posted with Osszie. I'm afraid I don't understand your post. Why would a foreigner be able to vote in their elections anyway?
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Coney is basically right. It's a huge white board with the names there and next to each name is a square box. You click on a box and an "X" appears letting you know that you have voted for that candidate. When you are finished there is a LARGE RED botton on the panel which says "Vote" or "Finish" or something like that. You press that when you have finished voting. There are instructions also on this panel and before you start voting. Anyone who can't do this system - couldn't write there name and shouldn't be voting. For more information on the systems NJ uses and where you can look at the NJ Election site Here is a PDF on the brochure for the voting system I use (with pictures) - AVC Advantage Quote:
Although - democrats have actually supported illegal aliens voting.
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Tell me - have you encountered any problems with getting into the presidents website? Janny can you tell me if you have had any problems? Anyway - there are a lot of other sources other than the those websites to gain information. I hardly ever go onto the candidate or the RNC/DNC websites. Why should I? There are a lot of other areas to get information and those sites are all spin anyway.
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If http://www.georgewbush.com/ is the correct address, it doesn't work from Sweden at the moment. But it's crunch time for deciding your vote, the elections only 5 days away. (People have had ages to decide, but that's not the point.)
I'll post what I said in the PM I sent you because it's relevant here: (Paraphrase) Are there high administration costs to the voting system JD? Any system would have fairly high costs, I imagine, but you guys also have to buy the machines I looked at from your Sequoia link if I understand correctly. The government must have to buy loads of those! (And they weigh 225-265 lbs, ~102-120 kg. )
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