Riddling III - Page 29

Keith K · 10-09-2008, 10:51 AM

The Middle-Earth Astronomy Riddle

I'm first and last.
I'm new and old.

I'm day and night
together, it's told.

Good luck with this one, O Riddlers of Entmoot!

Midge · 10-09-2008, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Keith K

Wise guy...

*girl* I don't know why this bothers me! Is "Midge" a unisex name? I always see it as short for "Margaret", or something, though my real name isn't Margaret.

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Originally Posted by Keith K

You are correct. Here are the names of the dead: Mat Heathertoes, Rowlie Appledore, Tom Pickthorn, Willie Banks and an Underhill from Staddle. You picked up on the main clue which was 3+2=5. Very well done Midge!

I was kind of impressed too... it just hit me, all of a sudden.

Note: When you're overwhelmed by the huge possibilities of a riddle, start by thinking of specific instances in the books you know best. It just might turn out to be one of those.. and if not, you can rule those out.

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Indeed it would involve shoes. The rare craftsmen I seek are very few and far between. And they are shoe-makers all.

Once again you have reasoned it out from the clues and references given in the riddle. I am very impressed with you, Midge. Well done!

( For those interested this riddle was sourced from the very first page of LOTR. In the Prologue you will find it. In the section titled Concerning Hobbits ).

I have a new riddle just about ready for you guys to twist yer brains over. Fresh from my riddling room. Stay tuned...

I wasn't sure if you wanted more than this, like, the name of the craftsman or where he was located or something. I didn't know that.

Keith K · 10-09-2008, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Midge

*girl* I don't know why this bothers me! Is "Midge" a unisex name? I always see it as short for "Margaret", or something, though my real name isn't Margaret.

I dunno about unisex. You are the first Midge I have ever encountered. In the U.S. "wise-guy" is a common response to sarcasm regardless of gender. (It is also a slang term for a member of organized crime. You know, mafia types etc.).

Anyway, welcome and well met, Midge! I hope you will continue to riddle with us in here!

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Note: When you're overwhelmed by the huge possibilities of a riddle, start by thinking of specific instances in the books you know best. It just might turn out to be one of those.. and if not, you can rule those out

Often it takes a group effort to get to the bottom of a Keith K riddle. Or any riddle for that matter. Sometimes the wrong guess of one riddler will set the light bulb off in the head of another...

Anyway, guess early and often and the answer will come eventually. When all else fails the riddle creator can always help with an extra clue or two. (but you guys mostly want to figure it out without help, right????)

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I wasn't sure if you wanted more than this, like, the name of the craftsman or where he was located or something. I didn't know that.

No shoemaker is named in LOTR to the best of my knowledge. I only sought the generic term that you have given. Again, very well done!

Riddle On, all ye Riddlers!

Midge · 10-09-2008, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Keith K

I dunno about unisex. You are the first Midge I have ever encountered. In the U.S. "wise-guy" is a common response to sarcasm regardless of gender. (It is also a slang term for a member of organized crime. You know, mafia types etc.).

Anyway, welcome and well met, Midge! I hope you will continue to riddle with us in here!

I am from the U.S. I just don't normally hear "wise guy" applied to girls. They usually get "smarty-pants" or something similar to it.

I know this: I am NOT a member of organized crime!

I like riddles when I can figure them out, or when they're clever! You have some quite good ones!

For instance, your astronomy riddle-- I have NO clue!

The Dread Pirate Roberts · 10-09-2008, 05:09 PM

While we're off-topic, let me honestly say I never thought it was your name, but rather a reference to the insects in the marshes in FotR.

Midge · 10-09-2008, 05:24 PM

Actually it's a reference to my height, which isn't actually that much.

Digressing... I guess I'd better guess...

Going for the obvious: it's not Earendil?

***Earniel*** · 10-09-2008, 06:21 PM

Maybe the name Midge itself is a riddle about her gender. If Midge refers to the mosquitoes then she must be female, because with mosquitoes it's the females you've got to watch out for, as they're the stinging kind.

Keith K · 10-09-2008, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Midge

Going for the obvious: it's not Earendil?

You're right! It's not Earendil.

Anyway, that's a good beginning. It gives me an opportunity to tell you that the answer is NOT a person. (Although it has a person in it... sort of...

)

Also, It is not a place or even an actual physical thing. It's more like an occurrence. Yeah, that's it. Think of it as a kind of event. That's the key to unlock this particular poser.

The day and night together bit, along with the 'astronomy' angle are the best places to start with this riddle.

Keith K · 10-09-2008, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Midge

I like riddles when I can figure them out, or when they're clever! You have some quite good ones!

For instance, your astronomy riddle-- I have NO clue!

That is to be expected with this particular riddle. Even I could not figure this one out with so little said in it. This one will require help which I will try to dole out sparingly as y'all close in on the answer.

Midge · 10-09-2008, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Eärniel

Maybe the name Midge itself is a riddle about her gender. If Midge refers to the mosquitoes then she must be female, because with mosquitoes it's the females you've got to watch out for, as they're the stinging kind.

Yay! I'm a riddle! Not a Riddle, though... That'd be either scary or unfortunate.

Okay. Compiling clues to the Astronomy Riddle, which goes as follows:

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Originally Posted by Keith K

I'm first and last.
I'm new and old.

I'm day and night
together, it's told.

We know it:

a. is not a person (esp. Earendil)
b. contains a person
c. is an occurrence
d. probably has something to do with a KEY and UNLOCK, due to Keith K's
emphasizing those words.

Anybody got any inspiration?

Noble Elf Lord · 10-10-2008, 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Keith K

The Middle-Earth Astronomy Riddle

I'm first and last.
I'm new and old.

I'm day and night
together, it's told.

Good luck with this one, O Riddlers of Entmoot!

Twilight?

Ilfirin · 10-10-2008, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Keith K

The Middle-Earth Astronomy Riddle

I'm first and last.
I'm new and old.

I'm day and night
together, it's told.

Good luck with this one, O Riddlers of Entmoot!

The Music of the Ainur ?

Keith K · 10-10-2008, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Noble Elf Lord

Twilight?

A noble try, NEL. This "occurrence" occurs much less frequently than does twilight which occurs every day. It does fit some of the clues that Midge has gathered together for y'all, and shows that you are thinking.

I do hope you will try again.

Keith K · 10-10-2008, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Ilfirin

The Music of the Ainur ?

Hello Ilfirin, welcome to the Riddling Thread. Thank you for participating! It is not the Music, which is a good guess. In a historical sense, the solution to the riddle is something that occurs AFTER the Children of Eru appeared in the world.

Keep trying.

Noble Elf Lord · 10-10-2008, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Keith K

The Middle-Earth Astronomy Riddle

I'm first and last.
I'm new and old.

I'm day and night
together, it's told.

Good luck with this one, O Riddlers of Entmoot!

Solar eclipse?

Keith K · 10-10-2008, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Noble Elf Lord

Solar eclipse?

That is a helluva guess, NEL. In certain ways an eclipse can be made to fit all of the clues. It is not the correct answer, but is moving in the right direction with the alignment of heavenly bodies angle.

Here is another clue for y'all. The solution to this riddle is calandarial* in context, (although it would not likely appear on your average monthly calendar

).

*Okay, so I took the liberty of inventing a new word. Live with it!

***Earniel*** · 10-10-2008, 04:56 PM

This's probably wrong because it doesn't fit all the extra clues, but what about 'history'? It starts from the very first second to the last and spans day after night, old and new. It most certainly holds everything that is told.

Keith K · 10-10-2008, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Eärniel

This's probably wrong because it doesn't fit all the extra clues, but what about 'history'? It starts from the very first second to the last and spans day after night, old and new. It most certainly holds everything that is told.

Hello there Earniel, my longtime riddling friend! Thanks for giving the Astronomy Riddle a go. It is not a generalized term like history that I seek. It is very specific to Tolkien.

Keep thinking, and try again. Y'all will narrow it down eventually.

Riddle On!

Noble Elf Lord · 10-11-2008, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Keith K

That is a helluva guess, NEL. In certain ways an eclipse can be made to fit all of the clues. It is not the correct answer, but is moving in the right direction with the alignment of heavenly bodies angle.

Here is another clue for y'all. The solution to this riddle is calandarial* in context, (although it would not likely appear on your average monthly calendar

).

*Okay, so I took the liberty of inventing a new word. Live with it!

Thanks.

With what meager knowledge of the Elven langs I have... it includes light?

Noble Elf Lord · 10-11-2008, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Keith K

The Middle-Earth Astronomy Riddle

I'm first and last.
I'm new and old.

I'm day and night
together, it's told.

Good luck with this one, O Riddlers of Entmoot!

Just re-iterating this, so you don't have to scroll to the top of the page.

10-09-2008, 10:51 AM	#561
Keith K Elf Lord Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: charlotte, n.c. Posts: 1,081	The Middle-Earth Astronomy Riddle I'm first and last. I'm new and old. I'm day and night together, it's told. Good luck with this one, O Riddlers of Entmoot! Last edited by Keith K : 10-09-2008 at 03:23 PM.

10-09-2008, 05:09 PM	#565
The Dread Pirate Roberts Elf Lord Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 987	While we're off-topic, let me honestly say I never thought it was your name, but rather a reference to the insects in the marshes in FotR. __________________ ~The DPR "Good work. Sleep well. I'll most likely kill you in the morning."

10-09-2008, 05:24 PM	#566
Midge Faithful Gardener Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: I walk here and there, they say... Posts: 3,603	Actually it's a reference to my height, which isn't actually that much. Digressing... I guess I'd better guess... Going for the obvious: it's not Earendil? __________________ In God I trust, I will not be afraid. What can man do to me? Psalm 56:11 "Starbuck, what do you hear?" "Nothin' but the rain, sir!" "Then grab your gun and bring in the cat." Make sure to check out the C.S. Lewis forum. Game threads, movie and book discussions and more!

10-09-2008, 06:21 PM	#567
*Earniel* The Chocoholic Sea Elf Administrator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: N?n in Eilph (Belgium) Posts: 14,363	Maybe the name Midge itself is a riddle about her gender. If Midge refers to the mosquitoes then she must be female, because with mosquitoes it's the females you've got to watch out for, as they're the stinging kind. __________________ We are not things.

10-10-2008, 04:56 PM	#577
*Earniel* The Chocoholic Sea Elf Administrator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: N?n in Eilph (Belgium) Posts: 14,363	This's probably wrong because it doesn't fit all the extra clues, but what about 'history'? It starts from the very first second to the last and spans day after night, old and new. It most certainly holds everything that is told. __________________ We are not things.

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