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sure, they can complain. I think that killing and torching things goes beyond complaining, though, don't you?
And I repeat - shall democracies let (in this case) Muslims from other countries dictate how they act? What if the Muslims next object to their being churches in Denmark, or being atheists or agnostics in Denmark, and they torch embassies again? Will you say everyone should convert to Islam just so they'll stop torching things? It's the argument of "I think we better not post cartoons in our free press that might make Muslims in other countries torch our embassies" that I object to.
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Then as usual you have my argument all wrong... You don’t restrain yourself from insulting Muhammad because they have a fit about it… You do it because IT MAKES SENSE when you are trying to have BETTER relationships with these cultures anyway. It MAKES SENSE NOT to antagonize a person or people who feel oppressed or mistreated or antagonized to begin with. You are only making it harder to achieve your original goal. Now does that really make sense to you?
And frankly having a protest march is not an attempt to control anyone. It seems to me it’s a way of saying hey we don’t appreciate that and venting anger. Anger that they would be completely ignored for so long when more civil heads had asked for a dialogue. Anger that they would go ahead and repeat the insult 6 fold across an entire continent despite their original protests. Now, the problem is that extremists ran with this anger and used it to their advantage. And that’s where you see the embassy burnings and the people being shot down (by their OWN governments by the way) because they were throwing stones and such. But how in the world is throwing stones an attempt to control you? It doesn’t effect you at all. Its simple rage. Frustration. Indignation. The product of a perceived act of the highest blasphemy and the crudest insult from people who you have a paranoid bias against anyway because of current events. Now you can go ahead and smash your head up against the wall simply because you can and you are afraid about setting the precedent that someone is controlling you by telling you that you CANT smash your head against the wall but I think that’s a little different from going to church or from being agnostic. Have some common sense…
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the looting, burning, beatings, etc. are only showing how childish they are
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If you believe they are all so childish then are you saying its ok to purposefully antagonize children? Gosh how juvinile of you...
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First, I'd check your spelling
Secondly, their actions are hardly inherent of an evolved civilized societal religion. so, childish, yes.
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Which might not be that surprising, as there have never been any conditions for their culture to "mature". Our part of the world has undergone tremendous changes the last 200 years, many parts haven't had time to catch up.
Also, Islam is the second-largest religion of the world with over a billion followers, I think we'd have been in bigger troubles if all or even most muslims decided to react as these extremists have done.
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Secondly, are you really making the argument that our country (or any western country) has never had any form of angry protests or rioting where buildings were damaged? That we are so much above them because this has never occurred? If so you surely lack any conceivable grasp of our history and the history of so many other western countries… Have a look in the mirror before attempting to write off ENTIRE populations of people for being inferior to you because of things we have done ourselves.
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Wow. Congrats to Grey Wolf for creating such a hot new thread! Pretty intense around here.
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well a few caused your country some misery......how do you want to quantify what is and what is not appropriate? In this, we disagree on many things, however, your view is appreciated.
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Telephone pole controversy started WWI? What are you talking about?? lol.
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** IR** once again you have held true to your tactic of going on a tangent and not accepting what was stated. I'm not going there to fuel your posts.
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