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There are definitely reasons for those Christian leaders choosing those books that they did and declaring them authoritative. If you have specific problems with the process they used, please bring them up in another thread. It's off-topic (shrugs).
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Found this article on AOL news and thought I would post it. Teacher Told to Stop Teaching Creationism By BOB LOWRY, AP ROANOKE, Va. (June 10) - For 15 years, in defiance of a Supreme Court ruling, Larry Booher taught creationism in his high school biology class. He even compiled a textbook of sorts and passed out copies in three-ring binders. The school superintendent didn't know what was going on. Neither did the school board president. Then, they got an anonymous tip. Booher has agreed to revise his lesson plan, though he maintained that he handed out the book, titled "Creation Battles Evolution," to his Biology 2 students only as a voluntary, extra-credit option. "He told the students, 'You may read this. You don't have to. It has some Bible references in it,"' said Alan Lee, superintendent of Washington County schools. "This teacher felt like he wasn't doing anything wrong." The Supreme Court ruled in 1987 that creationism, the belief that God created the universe as explained in the Bible, is a religious belief - not science - and may not be taught in public schools along with evolution. "Creationism is not biology and has no place in a biology class," said Kent Willis, executive director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Virginia. "What makes it wrong is not the theory of creationism, but the teaching of creationism as part of a science class." Lee said Booher's compilation drew on sources ranging from the Internet to scholarly papers and quotations from scientists and scholars critical of evolution or evidence supporting it. Lee said the material was never presented to the school board or to his office for approval. He declined to say what punishment - if any - Booher would face, calling it a personnel matter. Elizabeth Lowe, chairwoman of the school board, said she had heard "not a word" about Booher's book in her 11 years in office. Lee described Booher, 48, as "one of the finest science teachers I've ever been around" and said Booher would return to the classroom in the fall since he agreed to stop distributing the creationism materials. "He must teach evolution exclusively - observable scientific fact, not beliefs or religion," Lee said. "I fully believe he will comply. He just stepped over the line." Calls to Booher's home were met with hang-ups Thursday. He told The Roanoke Times he regretted handing out the material. "I can't change my classroom into a Sunday school class," he told the newspaper. "It's not like I tried to make it a secret. If administrators knew, fine. If they didn't, I didn't make an issue of it." Booher's source book, which he distributed at his own expense to classes ranging from 25 to 40 students, included nine chapters with titles such as "In the beginning" and "Evidence for a young Earth." As news of Booher's source book surfaced this week, Lee said he has had no complaints from parents. "I'm not surprised," he said. "People in this area tend to be very religious. They likely didn't see it as anything that wasn't appropriate." 06/10/05 09:49 EDT Copyright 2005 The Associated Press
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do you mean you would be happy to expel from america anyone that was not a WASP? that is extremely narrow-minded, and a view I would only expect a few hundred years ago, especially in the so-called land of the free |
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Hmm, I"ll have to look up that ruling ...
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Although it's nice he distributed the books on his own expense and not school money.
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http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/proj...w/edwards.html
Edwards v. Aguillard, 1987. It actually explicitly does NOT prevent a teacher from teaching creation science. Rather, it struck down a law that required that either BOTH creationism and evolution be taught, or NEITHER. The ruling was that the law was enacted to "no secular purpose" because teachers could already choose to teach creation science if they felt it had scientific merit. So this guy teaching it would be a whole new case, probably depending mostly on whether he's photocopying the Bible or photocopying actual scientific evidence. Interesting to see what happens. |
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Is the Supreme Court a court for all states or is it just the supreme court of that state? Sorry for my ignorance, but I find it contradictory with something I read in a Spanish newspaper a couple of weeks ago.
It said that in one state (I believe it was NY) it was being debated to allow teaching Intelligent Design along with Evolutionism at schools. Further on it said that in a number of states teaching Creationism was also allowed. Is this possible? I mean, it's difficult to understand that it's allowed if the Supreme Court has ruled against it...
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Each state has a supreme court, then there is a supreme court for the United States in Wshington D.C.
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Another question regarding to that article: it seems that in the USA the Supreme Coorts are who determine what is science and what is not science: Quote:
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well surely in a free society if you make laws on this, it should be both or none: let people make up their own minds...
(this does of course work on the assumption that the society in question IS free in any worthwhile sense) when lawyers define science its not a good thing, same with morality and also ... immortal one (me9996 - hey how you doing btw?) i do tend to agree with LCOU : is it not a true chistian pre-cept to value others and respect beleifs? His analogy to the Nazis does seem fair, at least in theory... and in context between beleifs and their imposed usage ... I don't think it is ever intended as a restrictive controlled enviroment that you beleive in the soul or in god? Is this not the, in real terms, defining attribute to (among others) chrisitanity? It is the true belief not the state or otherwise asserted EDICT that counts. |
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Is me9996 saying that a country should be made up of Christians and have Christian laws? If so, I don't see how that's possible You can't force beliefs... Even if you start with all Christians, they'll have kids, and the kids will choose their own ways as they grow up.
And Beery - IMO, it's definintely a true Christian precept to value others, but if by "respect beliefs" you mean saying something like "oh, that could be true for you that God doesn't exist and true for me that God does exist", then I don't see that as a precept.
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who's 'beery'?
if you are refeering to me - then no i didn't mean that - in fact you pretty much agree with me if i understood it correctly my perspective is that TRUE beleif should be respected always - forcing belief or constraining freedom to beleive or nominal uinthinking lip-service to beleif is counter-productive and simply wrong IMHO i do not in any way curtail or not wish people to have freedom not to beleive either in any religion or to beleive but not necessarily adhere to any given rigid human-led religions (in terms of additional text and religious moral societal add-ons) with their many faults ( and virtues too let me add) - to me the true faith of the key precepts of religion make much more spiritual sense than ALL the dogma of most organised religion in terms of every wriiten or unwritten law - etc etc BUT i never intended thatstaement to be interpreted as a precept : and in that sense i think you are right just to be clear! ( i hope - i mayhave to read that back again as i was typing so fast ) but i do not know who you were replying to: if it was me : why do you call me 'beery'? concerned and confused, BB |
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