Tolkien's Languages - Page 27

Aden · 11-08-2003, 02:56 AM

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Originally posted by Ruinel

We could all do as Ornelira does... she simply doubles an elongated vowel. And we don't need to put the diaresis on the 'e' at the end. Its only there to remind us to pronouce that 'e'. Would that be more helpful? [/B]

Yes that would be very helpfull. Thank you, you are so kind. I feel really welcome here. I might have given up if it wasn't for you all.

Hantanyel linda Ruinel.

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 11-08-2003, 12:59 PM

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Originally posted by Falagar
The one that is always reccomended is HiswÃ«loke's dictionary (which you can download), unfortunately I don't have the link here. I think there should be some vocabulary at http://www.elvish.org/gwaith/ but I'm not sure. www.councilofelrond.com is also an excellent Sindarin-source, with a decent word-list and course (for non-linguists, so you don't have to be familiar with all those linguisti expressions to take it).

Hannon le!

Falagar · 11-08-2003, 01:22 PM

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Originally posted by Valandil
Thank you!

I wasn't sure if it was "friend" or had to do with "love" - I think I saw something on the latter - but maybe it's akin to "phileo" (SP?) the Greek root for "brotherly love" (source of the name for Philadelphia).

What I saw (I forget where) said that "dil" indicated "love" - or "one who loves" (I don't think I'm exactly quoting whatever I read - just the gist), while "dur" indicated "servant" or "one who serves"... is that accurate? Is it Quenya or Sindarin or both?

-ndil and -ndur is only used in Quenya, as affixes (I have only seen them used in Quenya at least, and they're not listed in any Sindarin-dictionary I've tried).

Ruinel · 11-09-2003, 01:01 PM

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Originally posted by Aden
Yes that would be very helpfull. Thank you, you are so kind. I feel really welcome here. I might have given up if it wasn't for you all.

Hantanyel linda Ruinel.

San, maara naan sinome taita tye siimen.
Me nar valin lillia entuluva, ar sina lia cuinuva.

Merin tultal lillia sinome.

Laa lillia quet mii lia.

Eresse me quet siimen.

Aden · 11-09-2003, 01:58 PM

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Originally posted by Ruinel
San, maara naan sinome taita tye siimen.
Me nar valin lillia entuluva, ar sina lia cuinuva.

Merin tultal lillia sinome. Laa lillia quet mii lia. Eresse me quet siimen.

Transl.: " Well I'm in this place to prolong you here. We are happy (others?) shall come, and this thread shall be alive. I wish you to summon others here. No others speak in this thread. Only we speak here.

Merin polin tulta lilia sinome.
I tie na hande na anda ar nwalca, ananta haryan estel.
Quettarlya nar ve laire linda Ruinel.
Namarie ilma.

Ruinel · 11-09-2003, 02:35 PM

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Originally posted by Aden
Merin polin tulta lilia sinome.
I tie na hande na anda ar nwalca, ananta haryan estel.
Quettarlya nar ve laire linda Ruinel.
Namarie ilma.

lillie = lin-lie = lil-lie (the n becomes l when combined with another l, there are no nl combinations of consonants in Quenya)= "many people", others is a good interpretation of that.

{I wish I can summon many people (lillia) in this place. The path is understanding is long and cruel, for-give(?) I possess hope.
My words are like/as poem beautiful Ruinel. Farewell "ilma?" (iirima?).}

Quettar vanimalda nar ve i liire wilinon laarnyanna.

Aden · 11-09-2003, 02:53 PM

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Originally posted by Ruinel
[{I wish I can summon many people (lillia) in this place. The path is understanding is long and cruel, for-give(?) I possess hope.
My words are like/as poem beautiful Ruinel. Farewell "ilma?" (iirima?).}

Quettar vanimalda nar ve i liire wilinon laarnyanna.

[/B]

Na= to, towards
ananta= but yet
ilma ( silma) = starlight
and I meant to say: " your words are like poem" If I'm mistaken please let me know. ( still learning )

Ruinel · 11-10-2003, 01:14 PM

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Originally posted by Aden
Na= to, towards
ananta= but yet
ilma ( silma) = starlight
and I meant to say: " your words are like poem" If I'm mistaken please let me know. ( still learning )

ooooh... yes, 'na' is 'to/towards'. My apologies.

I have no idea how I could have missed "ananta"!

Sorry about 'ilma', I'm used to seeing it as 'silma'.

"Quettarlya" = quettar (words) + -lya (your) = "your words", so yes, you are correct.

Orna ni tuullen epe. Uucennen tai naa epe heninyar.

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 11-10-2003, 04:42 PM

But is rl a legitimate consonant cluster?

EDIT: I meant to imply that it is not.

Aden · 11-10-2003, 06:00 PM

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Originally posted by Ruinel

Orna ni tuullen epe. Uucennen tai naa epe heninyar. [/B]

Trans.: " Hasty I came after. ( Vucennen tai )

is after my eyes??

Ruinel · 11-10-2003, 11:07 PM

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Originally posted by Aden
Trans.: " Hasty I came after. ( Vucennen tai ) is after my eyes??

lol... no, not "Vucennen", "Uucennen"

as in "I did not see", "tai" is "that which" and "epe" means before. So... "I do not see that which is before my eyes."

Quote:

Originally posted by OrnelÃ*rÃ« MistÃ«But is rl a legitimate consonant cluster?

EDIT: I meant to imply that it is not.

No, the 'rl' cluster is not a legitimate cluster (thanks for catching that Orneliire). I believe it should have been quettalyar, because I've seen the -r placed after the possessive pronoun to indicate plural in other words. But I might be mistaken.

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 11-11-2003, 12:27 AM

sounds right to me

Aden · 11-11-2003, 02:43 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ruinel
[B]lol... no, not "Vucennen", "Uucennen"

as in "I did not see", "tai" is "that which" and "epe" means before. So... "I do not see that which is before my eyes."

oooops!

Hanyan sin. Nan mi mornie ar unquale, hande naa haaya.

Ar hantanyel Orneliire naa "quettalyar

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 11-11-2003, 04:41 PM

Trans: I understand this. But in the darkness and agony, understanding is far off.
And thank you Orneliire is "quettalyar".

Aa harya estel, Aden

Naal "maarave-tulle".

Aden · 11-11-2003, 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by OrnelÃ*rÃ« MistÃ«
Trans: I understand this. But in the darkness and agony, understanding is far off.
And thank you Orneliire is "quettalyar".

Aa harya estel, Aden Naal "maarave-tulle".

I actually wanted to say "I understand now"

Haryan estel

.Quete Quenya naa ve olos ta tuule anwa, nin.

Namarie maalo.

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 11-11-2003, 07:57 PM

Trans:I have hope.To speak Quenya is like a dream come true, for me.

Maara. Nin, nee olos tulle anwa. Sii, merin quete Sindarin. Nan melin oiale Quenya

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Ruinel · 11-11-2003, 08:20 PM

"epe" is an odd word. It is supposed to mean "before" but it's combination with other words indicates that it may mean "after" instead. Does anyone have any insite on this? Please share.

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 11-11-2003, 08:42 PM

It is indeed dubious. It is not in A Taste of Elvish or in Etymologies. In newwords at Elm, there is a word "apa" meaning after. Quenya Affixes says:

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apa- "after", in ApanÃ³nar "the Afterborn" (an Elvish name of Men, WJ:387/Silm ch. 12), also in *apacenya "of foresight" (pl. apacenyÃ« attested in MR:216; this literally refers to aftersight - what will come after the present). Variant ep- in epessÃ« "nickname" (lit. "aftername", sc. a name given after the regular name, UT:266). It would seem that ep- is used instead of apa- when the word to which it is prefixed begins in a vowel.

Aden · 11-11-2003, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by OrnelÃ*rÃ« MistÃ«
Trans:I have hope.To speak Quenya is like a dream come true, for me.

Maara. Nin, nee olos tulle anwa. Sii, merin quete Sindarin. Nan melin oiale Quenya.

trans.:" Good. For me it was a dream that came true. Now I desire to speak Sindarin.But I love Quenya for ever.

Quete yuuyo Quenya ar Sindarin naa alasse lisse. Haryal tercen.

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 11-12-2003, 08:24 PM

Trans:To speak both Quenya and SIndarin is sweet joy. You have insight.

Hantanyel. Nan laa queten Sindarin, yet...
A marienya! Haryamme maure quetto yeten!

11-10-2003, 04:42 PM	#529
OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 482	But is rl a legitimate consonant cluster? EDIT: I meant to imply that it is not. __________________ "Lot of people say this city looks like Hell," Allie said. She took a long drag from her cigarette. The glowing tip burned a hole in the darkness. "Most people never been to Hell," Jacob said. She looked at him and he could hear the smile in her voice. "And I suppose you have?" Last edited by OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« : 11-10-2003 at 06:07 PM.

11-11-2003, 12:27 AM	#532
OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 482	sounds right to me __________________ "Lot of people say this city looks like Hell," Allie said. She took a long drag from her cigarette. The glowing tip burned a hole in the darkness. "Most people never been to Hell," Jacob said. She looked at him and he could hear the smile in her voice. "And I suppose you have?"

11-11-2003, 04:41 PM	#534
OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 482	Trans: I understand this. But in the darkness and agony, understanding is far off. And thank you Orneliire is "quettalyar". Aa harya estel, Aden Naal "maarave-tulle". __________________ "Lot of people say this city looks like Hell," Allie said. She took a long drag from her cigarette. The glowing tip burned a hole in the darkness. "Most people never been to Hell," Jacob said. She looked at him and he could hear the smile in her voice. "And I suppose you have?"

11-11-2003, 07:57 PM	#536
OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 482	Trans:I have hope.To speak Quenya is like a dream come true, for me. Maara. Nin, nee olos tulle anwa. Sii, merin quete Sindarin. Nan melin oiale Quenya. __________________ "Lot of people say this city looks like Hell," Allie said. She took a long drag from her cigarette. The glowing tip burned a hole in the darkness. "Most people never been to Hell," Jacob said. She looked at him and he could hear the smile in her voice. "And I suppose you have?"

11-12-2003, 08:24 PM	#540
OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 482	Trans:To speak both Quenya and SIndarin is sweet joy. You have insight. Hantanyel. Nan laa queten Sindarin, yet... A marienya! Haryamme maure quetto yeten! __________________ "Lot of people say this city looks like Hell," Allie said. She took a long drag from her cigarette. The glowing tip burned a hole in the darkness. "Most people never been to Hell," Jacob said. She looked at him and he could hear the smile in her voice. "And I suppose you have?"

11-11-2003, 02:43 PM	#533
Aden Elven Warrior Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 123	[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ruinel [B]lol... no, not "Vucennen", "Uucennen" as in "I did not see", "tai" is "that which" and "epe" means before. So... "I do not see that which is before my eyes." oooops! Hanyan sin. Nan mi mornie ar unquale, hande naa haaya. Ar hantanyel Orneliire naa "quettalyar

11-11-2003, 08:20 PM	#537
Ruinel Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: I have no idea. Posts: 5,441	"epe" is an odd word. It is supposed to mean "before" but it's combination with other words indicates that it may mean "after" instead. Does anyone have any insite on this? Please share.

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