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I'm taking a rough guess at antaganonism
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11-17-2002, 11:15 AM | #522 | |
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Am only just beginning to read through it, as I only found it Friday thanks to an AP online article about the generals' conference on Nov. 15 (transcript not yet online). Looks interesting so far: an Federation of Iraq. Interesting idea that could work. But those four conditions outlined by Kanan Makiya are big "if's": "1. That the government of the United States actually proceeds with its stated policy of regime change in Iraq. "2. That the unseating of the Saddam Husain regime does not take place at the cost of large scale civilian casualties (Iraqi or Israeli) which could introduce considerable volatility and unpredictability into the political situation. "3. That these ideas, or some variation on them, are actually adopted at a large and representative conference of the Iraqi opposition. "4. That the Government of the United States, as the partner of the Iraqi people in liberating Iraq, sees its role in Iraq as being for the long term, for democracy and reconstruction--i.e, for nation-building. " Re the first point, it's happening. It will happen regardless of what the UN does or does not do. The second point is the biggest problem currently; it's a valid one, and among other things, probably is the reason underlying the change in tactics signalled by the massacre Friday night in Hebron: away from individual or small-team suicide tactics to regular military assaults. It also is likely the reason Saddam will once again locate his military equipment and personnel in the middle of civilian population centers in his own country. The third point can serve to pave the way to such a necessary conference after Saddam is gone. Point four: We certainly will. That is one big reason why we're hosting such conferences right now. Also reference what my senator said about Iraq's value to the world (above). |
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01-17-2003, 02:44 AM | #523 |
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Eleven empty 122mm chemical warheads were discovered by the UN inspectors during an inspection of the Ukhaider Ammunition Storage Area. These bunkers were erected in the late 1990s.
http://www.dispatch.co.za/2003/01/17/foreign/MCHEM.HTM
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01-17-2003, 04:59 AM | #524 |
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Did the warheads have "Made in the USA" on them?
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01-17-2003, 05:25 AM | #525 |
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Hmm, "similar to those imported in the late '80's" and a very familiar green colour........very possibly Dunadan, very possibly.. |
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*Memo to blair* stop been Bushs lap dog. I wish our PM would grow a backbone. seriously have we ever had such a witless worm of a man leading our country
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And yes, Sween, you're quite right. Churchill (our "Greatest Briton") was the first to decide that it would be a grand idea to gas the unruly "primitive tribes" in the arbitrarily drawn borders of what we (Brits) decided consituted Iraq in the 1920s. The only reason he didn't do it was because they couldn't get such a weapon to work. I don't have any illusions about British innocence here. We gave the world concentration camps, divide and rule, ethnic cleansing, economic and cultural imperialism and mass censorship. Just because others have perfected these tools doesn't make us, as a nation, any better than anyone else. And the propaganda our so-called free press is coming out with at the moment is totally sickening. * barfs into filing cabinet * no cheers d. BTW - Bush, Gore, Blair, Thatcher: it makes no difference. Human rights take second place to big business for all of them. |
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01-17-2003, 08:17 AM | #532 | |
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Now war now look certain. Its allready in motions and what the end will be. In theory we should win this war easily we are far better equiped and specilised than Iraq. My whole problem of this and this is a english person speaking here is that we have been led by american policy not british. Mr Blair is comming out very unfavoriably in my eyes he just comes running to bush call. I do not agree with this war for the simple reasons it is not US or british business to depoise a leader. Its our job to act responiably and support the correct channels (the UN). Americans have voted Bush as there leader and therefore he is answeriable to them but i dont like the way an american is basically gonna send our boys (i have many friends in the army) in. Think of it as an unelcected official decideding what taxs you are gonna pay.
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I don't see Bush calling up your troops - Blair is. If you have a problem with it - you better continue to take it up with him. By the way if it was Thatcher (who I liked) - I don't really like Blair - you'd be calling her a lap dog if she supported the war and you didn't. At least some of you have come to realise that your country isn't perfect. Some of the root causes of the problems in the Middle East all boil down to the crusades and Europe's colonialism. I guess you guys just think we should just negotiate with Saddam Hussein even though Hans Blix is now saying that Iraq is NOT cooperating and that he is hiding things. Without the US's strong stance - Saddam Hussein would be continuing to ignore the UN resolutions. The US forced Hussein to accept the UN Inspections - do you think he would have done it if the UN just got on their hands and knees and begged? The UN only passes resolutions and then wipes it's hands and walks away. Look at the cannibalism that they declared is going on in Africa - are they doing anything about it? Congo rebels must halt massacres - U.N. or what? The UN is a joke - they can't do anything other than spew a lot of hot air and wag their finger in the air telling these rogue nations to behave. It's like the joke we have concerning cops not carrying guns in Britain. The cop is chasing a criminal "Stop........ or I'll yell stop again."
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Indeed blair is techincally but it seem under bushs sole comand you know bush says jump and blair says how high kinda job. Ive allready passed on a complaint to my MP (as one of my teacher wisely said one day you dont have the right to complain if you dont complain to the people that can make a difference) so im allowed to bitch a lot ! My country has made a lot of mistakes down the line i would just hate to see america do the same thing. We still are making a lot of mistakes we are the only western country i can think so that openly allows leaders of terrorist organisations into there governement why you have not bombed us is a mystery. But this is a genral question that we asked down the pub last night (oh yes we can get quite topical down there) whom do you fear more sadam or Bush and we all came up with bush cos we sure as hell kow hes got nucular wepons and he doesnt seem totally against using them
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I believe that everyone was also againt the US bomging of Lybia after the Pan Am bombing. But hey - we haven't had any problems from Gaddafi since then - and he's currently supporting the effort against terrorism. I just hope he's sincere on this support. Admit it though - Europe secretly hopes that the US falls flat on our faces so you can regain world power status. During the Japan bubble market - everyone declared the end of the US and that the Yen was going to replace the dollar as the world's currency. We see how far that went. There will of course be a time when the US will desolve and be replaced - especially if we don't protect our freedoms. Also - why do seem to distrust Bush so much - especially since there is so much proof that Saddam Hussein has been lying and so much to back up what Bush has been saying? It's been pointed out here - that Hans Blix is the same weapons inspector that declared North Korea clean and they've been working on nuclear weapon techonology since 1990's. Also he was quoted as saying that Iraq wasn't hiding anything during the previous inspections - now he's coming out and saying that they aren't cooperating and there are serious problems in Iraq.
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The thought has never crossed my mind to replace US as the number one i wasnt aware that you were the number one country or partiually care. This aint an economic thing is it? its a whats right and whats wrong and if we go down this road what will be the long term damage? why do i distrust bush? Well everytime i have seen him on tele or been interview he seems to have this whole im right your wrong thing going on about him. He worries me hes like a wondeed dog its all ohh everyone wants to kill everyone ion the US sadam wants to kill us all. 9/11 this 9/11 that. Know what i mean all i have heard out of him the whole time hes been in office is how all these other people are comming to get him and if he can just find one grain of truth in this hes going in after them. Bush scares me cos Bush wants war. Plus theres the fact i dont think much of his much melinged intelegence (im sure hes not as dumb as people make out) but he does carry the air of a gun toteing hick from the byeue who shots trespassers on sight and marries his sister
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Also - most of the terrorists lived in New Jersey, as a matter of fact the city where my mother grew up - Jersey City. When I go into the store or the mall - I question is the person in front of me in line a possible terrorist. Will I walk into a store that gets blown up, or with 500 people watching LotR - does one of them possibly have a bomb and plans to blow up the theater. We know that these are not impossibilities - look at what has been happening in Israel and the South Pacific. It's only a matter of time before another attack gets through. America has to be proactive in this war and that's what we're doing.
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would we still be talking about it if it had happened to a lesser nation.
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Bush is talking to Americans about 9/11 - not necessarily to the world - your news of course covers this. 9/11 was in OUR backyard so of course it's important to us. It especially important to the area I live in. We are constantly on edge here. Just yesterday there was a chemical truck stolen in Brooklyn - luckily it was found. On New Years there was that false alarm about those 5 terrorists sneaking into the US from Canada. When the ball dropped in Times Square people were expecting the news to come on and say that Wall Street was just bombed. New York Harbor was closed to all recreational vehicles and the bridges and tunnels were being patrolled.
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Do you really think the threat is that great because i allways saw 9/11 as a one off
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