06-10-2008, 10:09 PM | #521 |
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At least GWB kept Al G out of office so Al G could get all the global warming message out. That and the Internet are probably Al G's two really big things to get done. And about equally valid claims for each, speaking of criminally negligent. Or are hanging chads criminal negligence?
There really are causes for adverse events outside of GWB, Gaffer. Tony Blair, perhaps? Or that Iranian President guy who wants nukes... or even the emerging powers of CO2 production in China and elsewhere. Next you'll be blaming the food crisis on the diversion of grain into green fuel... but on that one you would be correct (diversion of grain, not global warming) as to the cause of starvation.
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I think we'd better stop with the Al Gore/Internet thing. Some people are starting to believe it.
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OK, in all fairness it's not as important as running a couple of minor oil companies into the ground and getting bailed out by Daddy's friends, Saudi princes looking for favors, and crooked financiers; or pocketing the proceeds from land speculation around a tax-payer financed stadium, but hey, we can't all be George W. And sorry for the length of the quotes, but this piece of Republican stupidity has been floating around for so long, and gets mindlessly repeated so often, that it needs to be nailed once and for all. Not that I'm expecting that to happen. The wonderful thing about being a conservative is you never have to let nasty little facts interfere with your talking points.
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06-11-2008, 11:32 AM | #524 |
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I guess you forgot the part about Al sr. being in the coal business and his only beloved son still having a share in it.
If I remember correctly, Tim Berners-Lee invented the World Wide Web.
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06-11-2008, 06:22 PM | #525 |
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Invented, facilitated, what's the difference? Some.
The point is not that Al G invented the internet, it's that he claimed to have so done. Your quotations prove that he did not in fact do so. Ergo, if he can be wrong about the Internet and his involvement in it, why should I trust him on global warming? he might be as accurate on that subject as he is on the Internet. It's truthiness or truth. One is not the other. But don't get me wrong, Al G may have deserved the Nobel Prize, just for bumfuzzlement rather than global warming (which he may have invented with his travels and respiration and hot air production, by the way ).
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06-12-2008, 09:13 AM | #526 |
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Every so often I check into this thread hoping we'll be talking about science.
I'm not sure why.
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Let's see what the Norwegian Nobel Institute decided was the reason for handing the Nobels Peace Prize to the IPCC and Al Gore: http://nobelpeaceprize.org/eng_lau_announce2007.html "Through the scientific reports it has issued over the past two decades, the IPCC has created an ever-broader informed consensus about the connection between human activities and global warming. Thousands of scientists and officials from over one hundred countries have collaborated to achieve greater certainty as to the scale of the warming." & "His strong commitment, reflected in political activity, lectures, films and books, has strengthened the struggle against climate change. He is probably the single individual who has done most to create greater worldwide understanding of the measures that need to be adopted." It is not the scientific competence of Al Gore that handed him a share of the Nobels Peace Prize, but his committment as a politician, known worldwide (G. W. Bush can thank himself for that), that is being applauded. It's his activities, raising the awareness of the issue (albeit simplifying, but a message is a message, and often needs simplicity at first to draw attention). The scientific leverage, the depth of knowledge and research, is not granted to Al Gore (although I am sure he is no fool in this area of science), but to the IPCC. The foundations that Al Gore stands upon when he raises awareness, is built on the work of the IPCC, along with hundreds of scientific organizations, various forums, universities, gov't national and transnational projects, etc. And the concluding remarks by the Nobel Institute are: "By awarding the Nobel Peace Prize for 2007 to the IPCC and Al Gore, the Norwegian Nobel Committee is seeking to contribute to a sharper focus on the processes and decisions that appear to be necessary to protect the world's future climate, and thereby to reduce the threat to the security of mankind. Action is necessary now, before climate change moves beyond man's control." This, my friends, is pre-emptive language. (& the very type of language that Messier G. W. Bush used before the invasion of Iraq. Sadly the evidence behind the pre-emptive words of the Norwegian Nobel Institute are a whole lot sounder than that which the genious in the White House based his on) Understanding and being aware of the threat, and translating that into action, before it is too late. So let's not forget why Al Gore shared the prize.
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[QUOTE=inked;620710]Invented, facilitated, what's the difference? Some.
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06-18-2008, 01:37 AM | #529 |
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A political award.......the truth comes out! Alas for science! But hey, whatever floats your narcissistic boat. Recycle some plastic bags. Walk to the grocer's store. DO YOUR PART to save the planet. BUY SOME CARBON OFFSETS from AL G's company. Pretend it's science.
Have a great day! Feel better? Or did you actually forego a bath to save water and some source of heat and carbon production? Recycle a candy-wrapper? Fund a biodiversity plot in the Amazon? How much impact does all this "science" actually involve for you personally day-to-day? Just askin'!!!!!1
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Inked, why trust Al Gore on global warming, when there are so many brilliant scientists to trust instead?
I don't think you need science to save water and energy. Just basic, common sense. Science on climate change lets us know what happens when we don't use that common sense, and when we breed like hell - and at least for me, that emphasizes the need to educate and to stop acting like we're living in a world of infinite resources. So, actually, quite direct effects.
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For Nerdy or anyone else who wants a fresh topic to discourse upon.
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Thank you, Nauti!
*goes off to read*
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No problem, Nerdy!
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http://imagec11.247realmedia.com/Rea...rd_gore_01.jpg but really, Climate Confusion: How Global Warming Hysteria Leads to Bad Science, Pandering Politicians and Misguided Policies that Hurt the Poor (Hardcover) by Roy Spencer (Author) http://www.amazon.com/Climate-Confus...s_sr_1?ie=UTF8 http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/1594...tu#reader-link
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This is intriguing...
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Damn! All that ozone repair is going to heat up the Antartic!!
http://sciencenews.org/search/seek?f...e&go_submit=go See what happens when you reduce human environmental impact!!! You get unintended consequences!!! So saving the ozone layer is heating the Antartic separate from the whole CO2 / greenhouse gas debacle! My, my, my! You'd think Gaia would be grateful and better behaved, huh?
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...ffset=0&page=1
THE ROYAL SOCIETY thinks that creationism should be taught in schools! It is a worldview, they say. Objectivity and true science win!
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10 percent? That's a grossly exaggerated figure!
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