What people think of Two Towers (*SPOILERS*) - Page 26

LuthienTinuviel · 01-24-2003, 09:28 PM

what about the music?
i loved every note of it, and i can't wait to get my hands on some sheet music!

im listening to the soundtrack right now!

you know, it only took me 4 times of seeing the movie before i could pick out scenes from just the music, with FotR it took like 8 or 9.

Celebréiel · 01-24-2003, 10:53 PM

I loved the music too!

One of the higher points of TT was the music. Every song, I couldnt even choose a favorite, another great job!
~Celebréiel

eowyngirl14 · 01-25-2003, 12:47 PM

I love the music! Especially the theme for Rohan! It is awesome! I also love Gollum's song. One of my friends and I have memorized it and sing it to annoy our other friends! very very fun!

Gwaimir Windgem · 01-25-2003, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Elvedans
Does that mean I'm goofy too coz I agreed?

Hurrah! I'm not alone!

Admiral Ackbar · 01-25-2003, 06:41 PM

Hmmm... I think Gollum looked a bit better BEFORE the animators made him look more like Serkis. The Ent scene made Isengard seem... well, small. Very small. Almost like a small orc theme park. And, correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the orcs at Isengard (the ones left behind) NOT of the Uruk-Hai variety? And if they weren't, what were they doing fighting in the sunlight? I didn't have much of a gripe with the Helms Deep battle, though it was a tad too long for my taste. I thought the Ents were done VERY well (aesthetically) but, of course, their character development went down the drain. Overall, it didn't have that epic, adventurous feeling to it (as FotR did), but I don't think it was supposed to, and that is what many people may (or may not) have missed.

Ackbar

Gwaimir Windgem · 01-25-2003, 09:08 PM

If you mean the portrayal of him we see in FotR at Moria, then I completely agree.

borgun · 01-26-2003, 09:13 AM

I did like the movie...immensely so...
however also found it a bit disappointing that all the goodies were white, blondies and all the baddies were black ....
Also aren't there any non-white actors who could act in the good roles in the movie???? Why show the people in arab bedouin dresses with the elephant as the people on the side of evil...is Jackson playing with Bush here....

Black Breathalizer · 01-26-2003, 09:20 AM

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Originally posted by borgun
Why show the people in arab bedouin dresses with the elephant as the people on the side of evil...is Jackson playing with Bush here....

No, he is following the book.

LuthienTinuviel · 01-26-2003, 01:57 PM

ack, now im agreeing with BB, what next?

yes, he is following the book, not just playing with bush, although both would yeild the same effect, no?

before anyone jumps down my throat, im american, it makes me sick sometimes, but i am american, so im not belittling someone from afar.

but anyways, if PJ had allowed LotR to be Politically correct, fans would have been horrified, porbably not all but im sure many would be up in arms, and the rest would just hate the whole idea of having to be politically correct.

i hate being politically correct, life hurts, why should i censor and surpress my thoughts so that aomeone else can have a blissful life, am i not entitled to my own blissful life?

**Nurvingiel** · 01-26-2003, 02:08 PM

The Two Towers was written before the art of political correctness was perfected, so to speak. There was talk of not calling the movie "The Two Towers" because of 9/11, but PJ nixed that, more power to him.
Tolkien also wasn't making any references to actual Earth people in the book, so it's safe to say the movie doesn't do this either.

I was thinking about that annoying Warg battle scene, and decided it wasn't completely pointless after all. I think it was Black Breathalizer who started me on making loose comparisons with misplaced movie scenes and the book, but I decided that the Warg battle is making up for the scene from FotR where the Fellowship is attacked by Wargs before they go into Moria. That scene was deleted from FotR, so maybe they're 'replacing' it here? It is pushing it a bit, but......

Gwaimir Windgem · 01-26-2003, 07:15 PM

Sorry, excuse my ignorance, but where did it say the Haradrim were Arabs?

LuthienTinuviel · 01-27-2003, 04:20 PM

not really arabs, and not really africans, but here's what the book says:

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Sam, eagar to see more, went now and joined the guards. He scrambled a little way up into one of the larger of the bay-trees. For a moment he caought a glimpse of swarthy men in red running down the slope some way off with green-clad warriors leaping after them, hewing them down as they fled. Arrows were thick in the air. Then suddenly straight over the rim of their sheltering bank, a man fell, crashing through the slender trees, nearly on top of them. He came to rest a few feet away, face downward, green arrow feathers sticking from his neck below a golden collar. His scarlet robes were tattered, his corslet of overlapping brazen plates was rent and hewn, his black plaits of hair braided with gold were drenched with blood. His brown hand still clutched the hilt of a broken sword.

in my mind, i always pictured tannish, not chocloate skin being the brown discribed. I guess it might just be me, ive always seen them as kind of spanish-ey (dark features, olive skin, thick very dark eyelashes surrounding dark eyes etc) mixed with arabs. That's why i just chalked up the eyeliner to a bad day in the makeup dept. i thought that they were trying to acheive the effect of the eyes, but fell short of the goal, fell very short, as i could have done a better job.

Gwaimir Windgem · 01-27-2003, 05:50 PM

Aha, I see now where PJ got that from; but I still don't think they were meant to be Arabs; though PJ was staying true to the letter of the book here.

LuthienTinuviel · 01-27-2003, 08:34 PM

wow, i need to re read TTT... he followed alot of stuff closer than i thought he did...

hehe silly me, thinking im above everyone.

Black Breathalizer · 01-28-2003, 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LuthienTinuviel
wow, i need to re read TTT... he followed alot of stuff closer than i thought he did...

hehe silly me, thinking im above everyone.

I don't think your silly, LuthienTinuviel. You've made some really insightful comments lately.

There is still hope.

Gwaimir Windgem · 01-29-2003, 12:12 AM

Who here wants to tell BB to JUST SHUT UP? *raises hand*

Christiana · 01-29-2003, 01:01 AM

*raises hand*

BeardofPants · 01-29-2003, 01:06 AM

Ooh, ooh! Me too! Me too! *waves hand frantically*

Gwaimir Windgem · 01-29-2003, 01:31 AM

Motion seconded and carried.

Mooters: SHUT UP!

**Nurvingiel** · 01-29-2003, 03:04 AM

*does not raise hand*

Aw Mooters, that was a bit harsh, if everyone expresses their opinions nicely enough, they should be received nicely enough.

I happen to disagree with the opinion that someone is only making an insightful comment when they're in agreement with your opinions, but the world was meant for more than one way.

Now who thinks they're above everyone eh? :P

01-24-2003, 09:28 PM	#501
LuthienTinuviel protector of orphaned rabbits Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Kalamazoo... yes, its a real place! Posts: 1,236	what about the music? i loved every note of it, and i can't wait to get my hands on some sheet music! im listening to the soundtrack right now! you know, it only took me 4 times of seeing the movie before i could pick out scenes from just the music, with FotR it took like 8 or 9. __________________

01-24-2003, 10:53 PM	#502
Celebréiel Elven Warrior Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: A house! Posts: 376	I loved the music too! One of the higher points of TT was the music. Every song, I couldnt even choose a favorite, another great job! ~Celebréiel __________________ Peace Yeah, Your an individual...just like everyone else. http://cartalien.deviantart.com/ - Arty goodness

01-25-2003, 12:47 PM	#503
eowyngirl14 i don't know what i am talking about either, so don't ask Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,353	I love the music! Especially the theme for Rohan! It is awesome! I also love Gollum's song. One of my friends and I have memorized it and sing it to annoy our other friends! very very fun! __________________ 'The coming of dawn is ever the hope to the heart of men' -Aragorn 'Then I will die as one of them' -Aragorn TTT movie “They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety deserve neither liberty nor safety” - Benjamin Franklin arms are made for hugging avatar from the avatar shop! made by Eowyn, Lady of Rohan

01-25-2003, 06:41 PM	#505
Admiral Ackbar Hobbit Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Canada Posts: 30	re Hmmm... I think Gollum looked a bit better BEFORE the animators made him look more like Serkis. The Ent scene made Isengard seem... well, small. Very small. Almost like a small orc theme park. And, correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the orcs at Isengard (the ones left behind) NOT of the Uruk-Hai variety? And if they weren't, what were they doing fighting in the sunlight? I didn't have much of a gripe with the Helms Deep battle, though it was a tad too long for my taste. I thought the Ents were done VERY well (aesthetically) but, of course, their character development went down the drain. Overall, it didn't have that epic, adventurous feeling to it (as FotR did), but I don't think it was supposed to, and that is what many people may (or may not) have missed. Ackbar __________________ "We've got to give those fighters more time! Concentrate all firepower on that Super Star Destroyer!"--Admiral Ackbar

01-25-2003, 09:08 PM	#506
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	If you mean the portrayal of him we see in FotR at Moria, then I completely agree. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

01-26-2003, 09:13 AM	#507
borgun Sapling Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1	I did like the movie...immensely so... however also found it a bit disappointing that all the goodies were white, blondies and all the baddies were black .... Also aren't there any non-white actors who could act in the good roles in the movie???? Why show the people in arab bedouin dresses with the elephant as the people on the side of evil...is Jackson playing with Bush here....

01-26-2003, 01:57 PM	#509
LuthienTinuviel protector of orphaned rabbits Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Kalamazoo... yes, its a real place! Posts: 1,236	ack, now im agreeing with BB, what next? yes, he is following the book, not just playing with bush, although both would yeild the same effect, no? before anyone jumps down my throat, im american, it makes me sick sometimes, but i am american, so im not belittling someone from afar. but anyways, if PJ had allowed LotR to be Politically correct, fans would have been horrified, porbably not all but im sure many would be up in arms, and the rest would just hate the whole idea of having to be politically correct. i hate being politically correct, life hurts, why should i censor and surpress my thoughts so that aomeone else can have a blissful life, am i not entitled to my own blissful life? __________________

01-26-2003, 07:15 PM	#511
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Sorry, excuse my ignorance, but where did it say the Haradrim were Arabs? __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

01-27-2003, 05:50 PM	#513
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Aha, I see now where PJ got that from; but I still don't think they were meant to be Arabs; though PJ was staying true to the letter of the book here. __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

01-27-2003, 08:34 PM	#514
LuthienTinuviel protector of orphaned rabbits Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Kalamazoo... yes, its a real place! Posts: 1,236	wow, i need to re read TTT... he followed alot of stuff closer than i thought he did... hehe silly me, thinking im above everyone. __________________

01-29-2003, 12:12 AM	#516
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Who here wants to tell BB to JUST SHUT UP? raises hand __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle Last edited by Gwaimir Windgem : 01-29-2003 at 12:16 AM.

01-29-2003, 01:01 AM	#517
Christiana Elf Lord Join Date: May 2002 Location: Searching desperately for a swan boat to take to Valinor Posts: 1,231	raises hand __________________ I take full responsibility for my actions, except for those that are somebody else's fault Having someone to blame is nearly as good as having a solution to the problem Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you are a mile away from them, and you habe their shoes. ~Frieda Norris

01-29-2003, 01:06 AM	#518
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	Ooh, ooh! Me too! Me too! waves hand frantically __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

01-29-2003, 01:31 AM	#519
Gwaimir Windgem Dread Mothy Lord and Halfwitted Apprentice Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Thomas Aquinas College, Santa Paula, CA Posts: 10,820	Motion seconded and carried. Mooters: SHUT UP! __________________ Crux fidelis, inter omnes arbor una nobilis. Nulla talem silva profert, fronde, flore, germine. Dulce lignum, dulce clavo, dulce pondus sustinens. 'With a melon?' - Eric Idle

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