Tolkien's Languages - Page 26

Falagar · 11-04-2003, 07:21 AM

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I also can't quite get Sindarin down. I enjoy the mutations, but they are hard to remember, and the Mix Mutation is very frustrating. Why don't we start speaking in Sindarin as well?
Also, Falagar, do you have a wordlist or dictionary you use for Sindarin? I've never been able to locate any good ones.

The one that is always reccomended is HiswÃ«loke's dictionary (which you can download), unfortunately I don't have the link here. I think there should be some vocabulary at http://www.elvish.org/gwaith/ but I'm not sure. www.councilofelrond.com is also an excellent Sindarin-source, with a decent word-list and course (for non-linguists, so you don't have to be familiar with all those linguisti expressions to take it).

Ruinel · 11-04-2003, 01:35 PM

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Originally posted by OrnelÃ*rÃ« MistÃ«
...As for the trivia, "Ambo Rudh" is Amon Rudh. "What sprouts on Amon Rudh?" I am ashamed that I forgot that verbs go at the end of the sentence in questions.
The plant was Aeglos.

Ah, I understand it now.

Damn.

I got it wrong, then.

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Originally posted by Aden
E! QUENYA EA ALCARINQUA. (is it right??)

I think "e" is used in Sindarin, but not Quenya.
"E!" Quenya (lambe) exists glorious. Is what you said... but if you want to say "is" then you can say...
Ai (alas)! Quenya lambe (for the Quenya language/tongue) nÃ¡ alcarinqua.

Sanda, Aden... Quenya lambe nÃ¡ alcarinqua.

Aden · 11-04-2003, 06:07 PM

I think that E means "indeed" in Quenya

Ruinel · 11-04-2003, 06:45 PM

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Originally posted by Aden
I think that E means "indeed" in Quenya

ah... Ãºharyan handÃ«. NÃ¡s sinya quetta?

Aden · 11-04-2003, 09:05 PM

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Originally posted by Ruinel
ah... Ãºharyan handÃ«. NÃ¡s sinya quetta?

What does iharyan mean?? Does sina mean "this"? (it is hard at the beggining)

Aden · 11-04-2003, 11:11 PM

tule i lome. Namarie (hope I got that right)

Aden · 11-05-2003, 12:11 AM

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Originally posted by Ruinel
ah... Ãºharyan handÃ«. NÃ¡s sinya quetta?

I'm sorry for the three posts I know I did say farewell but I just remembered that I don't answer Ruinel's question. (I was really confused trying to learn translate and write at the same time) So if I am not mistaken you're asking if that word is new (right???) refering to E. Well I actually found it in a book. I think that it is accurate though I'm not absolutely sure. One more time goodnight and thank you for your help

Ruinel · 11-05-2003, 02:33 PM

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Originally posted by Aden
What does uharyan mean?? Does sina mean "this"? (it is hard at the beggining)

"Ãºharyan handÃ«. NÃ¡s sinya quetta?"
"Ãºharyan" = Ãº-harya-n = not possess I = I do not possess. The pronoun is placed after the word "possess".
"handÃ«" = knowledge

So... I do not possess (this) knowledge.

You are correct about the second sentence.
"NÃ¡s sinya quetta?"
"NÃ¡s" = NÃ¡ + s = is + it = it is. Again, the pronoun is placed after "is".
"sinya" = new
"quetta" = word
So.... It is new word?

NamariÃ«, Aden.

Aden · 11-05-2003, 08:35 PM

AI! YallumÃ« nan sinomÃ«. MelanÃ« Qyenya lambÃ« ar nan valin ta sina lia ea sinomÃ«. ( I did try really hard for this. By the way what does "yo" mean? )

NamariÃ« vanimar

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 11-06-2003, 07:43 AM

I don't have time to respond, but yo means with, anyway. Gotta run.

OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« · 11-06-2003, 06:16 PM

OK, now I have time to respond:

Maara tulie! Ar melin Quenya. Quetel maarave!

You can use ea for to be, but often we use:
naa present
nauva future
nee past
It's a misfortune that Tolkien never fully completed the word "to be". Any double vowels you see are the same as accented vowels.

Welcome!

Aden · 11-06-2003, 10:22 PM

Ata, nan sinomÃ«. Vanyan oa, ananta fÃ«anya naa sinomÃ«. Ai, nolwÃ« calaquendion na oira. Mern hanya i quettar " thank you" ( so that I can at least thank you for your valiable help. Just hope I don't bother you. )
NamariÃ« vanimar!

Ruinel · 11-07-2003, 02:20 PM

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Originally posted by Aden
AI! YallumÃ« nan sinomÃ«. MelanÃ« Qyenya lambÃ« ar nan valin ta sina lia ea sinomÃ«. ( I did try really hard for this. By the way what does "yo" mean? )

NamariÃ« vanimar

Ornelira is correct, "yo" means "with".

Translation:
"Alas! At last I am in this place. I love Quenya language and I am happy that/it this thread to be in this place.

Farewell beautiful ones."

Hantanyel. Quettarilya nar vi mussÃ« linquÃ« fanyarÃ«llo.

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Ata, nan sinomÃ«. Vanyan oa, ananta fÃ«anya naa sinomÃ«. Ai, nolwÃ« calaquendion na oira. Mern hanya i quettar " thank you" ( so that I can at least thank you for your valiable help. Just hope I don't bother you. )
NamariÃ« vanimar!

"Again, I am in this place. I depart away, but yet my spirit is in this place. Alas, wisdom of the Light Elves is eternal. I wish (merin) understand the words 'thank you' ...."

"Thank you" = Thank-I-you = hantanyel.

You are not bothering us... but you are very welcome here.

Elen sÃ*la lÃºmenn' omentielvo, mÃ¡lo. MerimmÃ« limbe lie quet sinome.

***Valandil*** · 11-07-2003, 02:29 PM

Yo no speako Sindarin...

How does a feller get started... supposin' ee wants to learn???

Ruinel · 11-07-2003, 02:48 PM

You have a Quenya name, yet you do not speak our language? Well, we will have to fix that.

Most of us speak Quenya lambe (Quenya language) here. But you can find some who might speak Sindarin with you here as well.

The best site I've found for either is www.ardalambion.com. There's even a course for the language in the list of links.

Go and read a little and then come and practice what you have learned here. We are all willing to help.

***Valandil*** · 11-07-2003, 02:57 PM

Thanks Ruinel... I'll have to see what I can pull off. I'd LIKE to learn, but wonder if, realistically, the other demands of life will crowd it out. Maybe I can give it a go. I'll check that link!

IS it a Quenya name? I took it from the list of Arnor's kings (Isildur's youngest son, o course) - and I thought the Numenoreans generally used Sindarin (??). I do understand that some words carry over.

From definitions I've seen of Elendil, Elendur, Meneldil, Meneldur, Valandur, etc. - I take it that my name means something like "One who loves the Valar" - is that close to right? I actually just took it because he was a high king at Annuminas (hey - longest reigning!) and I'm really fond of the whole Arnor history thing...

Ruinel · 11-07-2003, 03:28 PM

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Originally posted by Valandil
..IS it a Quenya name? I took it from the list of Arnor's kings (Isildur's youngest son, o course) - and I thought the Numenoreans generally used Sindarin (??). I do understand that some words carry over.

"God-friend, or Vala-friend" is the interpretation of Valandil. An apropriate name for you, I think.

***Valandil*** · 11-07-2003, 10:20 PM

Thank you!

I wasn't sure if it was "friend" or had to do with "love" - I think I saw something on the latter - but maybe it's akin to "phileo" (SP?) the Greek root for "brotherly love" (source of the name for Philadelphia).

What I saw (I forget where) said that "dil" indicated "love" - or "one who loves" (I don't think I'm exactly quoting whatever I read - just the gist), while "dur" indicated "servant" or "one who serves"... is that accurate? Is it Quenya or Sindarin or both?

Aden · 11-07-2003, 11:19 PM

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Originally posted by Ruinel
Hantanyel. Quettarilya nar vi mussÃ« linquÃ« fanyarÃ«llo.

Translation: " Thank you. your words are like...??

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Elen sÃ*la lÃºmenn' omentielvo, mÃ¡lo. MerimmÃ« limbe lie quet sinome.

Translation: " Star shine upon the hour of our meeting friend. We wish (to drop?) people speak here.

Well it's a bit difficult for me to translate the rest cause I'm from Greece actually and some letters you write ( like Ã«, Ã*, etc) appear to me as greek letters.

It's hard to distinguish which is which ( it might take me some time to get use to it) once again I'm going to need your help.
Hantanyel vanima. NamariÃ«.

Ruinel · 11-08-2003, 12:35 AM

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Originally posted by Aden
Translation: " Star shine upon the hour of our meeting friend. We wish (to drop?) people speak here.

Well it's a bit difficult for me to translate the rest cause I'm from Greece actually and some letters you write ( like Ã«, Ã*, etc) appear to me as greek letters. It's hard to distinguish which is which ( it might take me some time to get use to it) once again I'm going to need your help.
Hantanyel vanima. NamariÃ«.

"Elen sÃ*la lÃºmenn' omentielvo, mÃ¡lo. MerimmÃ« limbe lie quet sinome."
(A) Star shines upon the hour of our meeting, friend. We wish more people speak in this place.

We could all do as Ornelira does... she simply doubles an elongated vowel. And we don't need to put the diaresis on the 'e' at the end. Its only there to remind us to pronouce that 'e'. Would that be more helpful?

11-06-2003, 07:43 AM	#510
OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 482	I don't have time to respond, but yo means with, anyway. Gotta run. __________________ "Lot of people say this city looks like Hell," Allie said. She took a long drag from her cigarette. The glowing tip burned a hole in the darkness. "Most people never been to Hell," Jacob said. She looked at him and he could hear the smile in her voice. "And I suppose you have?"

11-06-2003, 06:16 PM	#511
OrnelÃrÃ« MistÃ« Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 482	OK, now I have time to respond: Maara tulie! Ar melin Quenya. Quetel maarave! You can use ea for to be, but often we use: naa present nauva future nee past It's a misfortune that Tolkien never fully completed the word "to be". Any double vowels you see are the same as accented vowels. Welcome! __________________ "Lot of people say this city looks like Hell," Allie said. She took a long drag from her cigarette. The glowing tip burned a hole in the darkness. "Most people never been to Hell," Jacob said. She looked at him and he could hear the smile in her voice. "And I suppose you have?"

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11-04-2003, 06:07 PM	#503
Aden Elven Warrior Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 123	I think that E means "indeed" in Quenya

11-04-2003, 11:11 PM	#506
Aden Elven Warrior Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 123	tule i lome. Namarie (hope I got that right)

11-05-2003, 08:35 PM	#509
Aden Elven Warrior Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 123	AI! YallumÃ« nan sinomÃ«. MelanÃ« Qyenya lambÃ« ar nan valin ta sina lia ea sinomÃ«. ( I did try really hard for this. By the way what does "yo" mean? ) NamariÃ« vanimar

11-06-2003, 10:22 PM	#512
Aden Elven Warrior Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 123	Ata, nan sinomÃ«. Vanyan oa, ananta fÃ«anya naa sinomÃ«. Ai, nolwÃ« calaquendion na oira. Mern hanya i quettar " thank you" ( so that I can at least thank you for your valiable help. Just hope I don't bother you. ) NamariÃ« vanimar!

11-07-2003, 02:29 PM	#514
*Valandil* High King at Annuminas Administrator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Wyoming - USA Posts: 10,752	Yo no speako Sindarin... How does a feller get started... supposin' ee wants to learn???

11-07-2003, 02:48 PM	#515
Ruinel Banned Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: I have no idea. Posts: 5,441	You have a Quenya name, yet you do not speak our language? Well, we will have to fix that. Most of us speak Quenya lambe (Quenya language) here. But you can find some who might speak Sindarin with you here as well. The best site I've found for either is www.ardalambion.com. There's even a course for the language in the list of links. Go and read a little and then come and practice what you have learned here. We are all willing to help.

11-07-2003, 02:57 PM	#516
*Valandil* High King at Annuminas Administrator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Wyoming - USA Posts: 10,752	Thanks Ruinel... I'll have to see what I can pull off. I'd LIKE to learn, but wonder if, realistically, the other demands of life will crowd it out. Maybe I can give it a go. I'll check that link! IS it a Quenya name? I took it from the list of Arnor's kings (Isildur's youngest son, o course) - and I thought the Numenoreans generally used Sindarin (??). I do understand that some words carry over. From definitions I've seen of Elendil, Elendur, Meneldil, Meneldur, Valandur, etc. - I take it that my name means something like "One who loves the Valar" - is that close to right? I actually just took it because he was a high king at Annuminas (hey - longest reigning!) and I'm really fond of the whole Arnor history thing...

11-07-2003, 10:20 PM	#518
*Valandil* High King at Annuminas Administrator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Wyoming - USA Posts: 10,752	Thank you! I wasn't sure if it was "friend" or had to do with "love" - I think I saw something on the latter - but maybe it's akin to "phileo" (SP?) the Greek root for "brotherly love" (source of the name for Philadelphia). What I saw (I forget where) said that "dil" indicated "love" - or "one who loves" (I don't think I'm exactly quoting whatever I read - just the gist), while "dur" indicated "servant" or "one who serves"... is that accurate? Is it Quenya or Sindarin or both?