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(1) God DESIRES for all people to be reconciled to Him (i.e., saved from their sins by what Jesus did on the cross - this involves us acknowledging Him as rightful Lord and living our lives in accordance with His will, which BTW is always the BEST and MOST JOYFUL thing for us anyway!) (2) God's WILL for us is that we become CHRISTLIKE. And part of becoming Christlike will involve working through tough times (those times are not fun, but always really seem to help you grow in very deep ways). The Bible is FILLED with "God's plan" for us - to love others, to be kind, to help the widow and the orphan, to be joyful and thankful, to speak in an edifying way, to study God's word so it will be in our hearts and help us to live, to pray and ask God for wisdom, which He promises to give to us .... and the list goes on and on. So I think God's will is CHARACTER-DRIVEN, not EVENT-DRIVEN. IOW, if we have to make a decision about whether we should move to New York or Los Angeles, I think EITHER ONE could be in accordance with God's will. What's important is that we pray for wisdom and insight for the decision, and we use our intelligence to evaluate the option in the light of God's priorities, which are always for our good (altho not always 'fun' at first, but ALWAYS great at the end!)
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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I'll check back on Monday and give more of MHO if Lief and Gwai haven't answered it first - we tend to agree on lots of things!
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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05-18-2003, 06:40 PM | #503 |
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IR your entmoot inbox is full - plz clear out
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05-18-2003, 07:00 PM | #504 |
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Thanx Lief and Rian
I'll let Rian continue her post before I add in my two cents. I wanna see what all she has to say ~Aralyn~
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One thing that needs to be noted first is that God's character is not inconsistant through the Old Testament and the New Testament. In the Old Testament, he sent prophets to people to cause them to turn away from their sin, and they died when they rejected him. In the New Testament, we see the same thing. Those who refuse the Lord die in hell- it's no different. They wind up in the same place.
Meanwhile, in the New Testament the weapon changes. Sin is still cut out of the body, but it is with the sword of the spirit, rather than the physical blade. Christians are still all warriors for God, against the devil. Another thing is that the destructions in the Bible are acts of justice by God. The different peoples that were destroyed were deep in terrible sin, and were unrepentant of their action. When the Lord saw that the people had the potential to be changed, he sent a prophet, as in Ninevah. With others, he brought justice. The Old Testament shows the justice, and shows the law of the Lord. The New Testament shows the fulfillment of the law. The fulfillment of the law was why Jesus came, and I believe that he fulfilled the law by planting his seed in man, giving them the ability to return to him out of their state of impoverished sin. Quote:
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Another thing that has to be noted is that many of the people in the Old Testament didn't know about Christ because he hadn't made it to Earth yet, but they made it to heaven anyway. The previous passages have demonstrated that one can know God simply by loving. "Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God." That's a very important statement, there. The Old Testament also seems to be more focusing upon God's command of the nations, when it demonstrates his causing nations to fight each other and destructions in various places. There is such a thing as a corporate sin that a nation is guilty of, rather than just the leader. The New Testament is more focusing upon the internal life, but let's look at the one prime example of life between nations that's visible in the New Testament. Revelation. A holocaust of the human race is basically what's described there, and a huge spiritual and physical war. Jesus is commanding it, too. The character of God has remained the same. Last edited by Lief Erikson : 05-18-2003 at 08:59 PM. |
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I don't want to repeat the whole thing, it's in the "Offshoot Discussions" thread If you call ramming swords through pregnant women or smashing babies' heads against the rocks "justice" , I guess we'll just have to disagree on the meaning of the word.
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GrayMouser, this thread is not for bashing religions, or religious discussion. In my first post, I specifically stated this; it is only for assimilation of knowledge about other religions. You have strong anti-Christian sentiments (like so many on this board); that's fine, you have the right to hate whoever you want, but please, do not use (and especially dig up) a thread where it is specifically stated that it is not for stuff like that, and especially just so you can use bash a religion in the same way in a number of different places.
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GrayMouser - If what you quoted is the only bit you read, then you are treating a very serious and complex subject in a very trite manner. And re the pregnant women - do you think abortion should be legal? If 'yes', go to 1; if 'no', go to 2. 1. Then please don't use the example of 'pregnant women' for a cheap emotional effect, since you think it should be legal to kill a baby growing inside a pregnant woman. (please skip 2 and go to 3) 2. I'm so glad you realize what a terrible thing abortion is. (please go to 3) 3. Let's respect Gwai's thread and take this somewhere else, shall we?
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! Last edited by RÃan : 05-22-2003 at 03:57 PM. |
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What's "dredging"?
ANd you can take it to my "Offshoot of what religion are you" thread, which is specifically for this type of thing.
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Dredging is digging up long-dead topics without any real purpose. I don't think that would be a problem, LFA, specially since he posted in the offshoot topic before he posted here.
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if i brought it up...would people debate in it? cuz its something that i would like to discuss further
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Actually, it's being debated right now, in the offshoot thread.
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Oh dear, sorry for pestering you, Arien.
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EDIT: And I know what you mean...I've felt like I've let God down too in the past (probably have more times than even I care to recall), but you know what? He still loves us.
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