02-09-2003, 07:56 PM | #501 |
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If God didnt want us to eat them, he wouldnt have made them out of meat.
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02-10-2003, 03:05 PM | #503 | |
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2nd..they are not made out of meat..they are made if bones, muscles, fat and all that other stuff 3rd..your made our of "meat" so eat yourself! on the other hand it tastes really good...and i get cravings for chicken wings sometimes
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02-13-2003, 10:24 AM | #504 |
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Ironic humour not your strong point then, Legolas_Frodo_Aragorn ?
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02-13-2003, 01:28 PM | #505 | |
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what do you think a horse is for? it has a body designed for riding. an ox has a body perfect for helping people with farm chores and all the other stuff people use/used them for. when you think about it,cows,chickens,and pigs are perfect for what we use them for. eggs,dairy products,and meat.
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02-13-2003, 02:33 PM | #506 |
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Aha! A subject I actually know enough about to discuss!
I didn't read the whole thread (yes I'm lazy, sorry), so maybe you all did something like this before... but I thought it would be fun anway. (Obviously these questions don't apply to those people coming in here telling us how stupid we are for not slaughtering animals) 1) How long have you been a vegetarian? - 6 years 2) How far do you take it? (no red meat, no animals, no animal products at all?) - no animals. I considered going vegan but I was afraid I would starve (not much into supplements like soy, bleah) 3) Why did you become a vegetarian? - I have had as many as 12 cats at once, and one day I just decided it didn't make sense to eat cows and chickens if I would never be able to eat my cats. That's just the reason I started though. After that there were more and more reasons. Any non-veg's here should check out the Humane society's magazine, Animal Guardian, and see if you still have an appetite. And hey, I'm noticing this argument of *God made animals for us to eat*... Well, I don't really consider myself to be religious anyway, but if I remember correctly, God supposedly made us to watch over them. No eating was implied. And they came first.
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Eating is killing. It's not like plants aren't alive.
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The issue isn't "should I eat things with central nervous systems," it's "should I eat anything?" If it's bad to eat things with central nervous systems, then your cats are bad because that's what their genome tells them to do: eat other things with central nervous systems. Feeding your cat grain does violence to its genome. So why shouldn't we humans be herbivores, and leave the carnivory to the cats and the omnivory to the bears? Cuz omnivory is in our genome. Had our ancestors not eaten meat, we would never have had enough protein intake to evolve the brains we actually have. We would have been cattle, ladies and gentlemen. Quote:
There, that's enough blatant assertions for a while. Anyone want to beat the bejeezus out of me?
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02-13-2003, 06:58 PM | #508 |
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It's not eating meat that I object to, but the conditions the animals are kept under, and the hormones injected into them are unnessecary evils, that I don't want to take part in in any way.
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02-14-2003, 02:12 AM | #509 |
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My boyfriend used to work in a chicken hatchery. One in every 10 chickens were grossly mutated beyond belief because of all the hormones, and had to be killed. Ick. And people eat this stuff?!
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02-14-2003, 03:50 AM | #510 |
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In these cases, vegitarianism isn't the answer, but rather organic meat eating and/or hunting. The same goes for plants too: eat organic plants and/or go gather your food from the wild. The trick is to eat what "nature" intended the way "nature" intended.
What "nature intended" us to eat is both animal and plant flesh, and the way "nature intended" our friends the animals and plants to be eaten is toxin-free (ironically, our toxin-laced food is usually due to our own asinine practices), at least! This is why I eat what I hunt and kill, why I shop at an organic food store, and why I buy what meat I need (when I can't hunt, which is all the time now, because I'm in Europe) from a hormone-free butcher (there's no other organic butcher around, I'm afraid). If there was some wild land nearby (there isn't), I'd even try to gather some of the native foodstuffs around and eat that too. Vegitarianism, veganism, fruitarianism (etc.) are over-reactions at best. Love,
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02-14-2003, 03:27 PM | #511 |
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I agree with every thing you said, barring the last bit. Organic IS the best way to go, and there is an increasing market for organic produce. Geez, about 10 years ago, nobody would have even been concerned with this type of stuff even though people were getting really sick from pesticides!
However, I beg to differ on Vegetarianism, etc, being over-reactions. It's a lifestyle choice. I choose not to eat meat because I don't want to, not because I have this silly idea that by reducing my meat content, it's gonna somehow stop the meat-market!
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02-14-2003, 04:50 PM | #512 |
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A choice based on what? Is it arbitrary, being a vegitarian etc.? People have grounded vegetarianism etc. on things like cruelty (which I tried to rebut earlier) and pesticide reduction (which I tried to rebut immediately above), so now what is it grounded on? Nothing? Just curious!
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02-15-2003, 05:29 PM | #513 |
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This is of course my personal opinion, but I tend to think animals have souls and plants do not. As to other animals eating each other, why does that mean that we should too? Aren't we of 'superior intelligence'? We don't NEED to eat meat to survive anymore. Its been awhile since we had to go out and hunt for food. And even then, the animals we ate had their own lives before we got to them. Now they are bred, and their whole life's purpose is to be slaughtered when they're fat and drugged enough.
The whole thing is a matter of opinion, and so I never really argue it with people. Its like the abortion issue - its all about personal beliefs, and you can't change those, so debating becomes a little repetitive and fruitless. But as I said, all that was just the reason I stopped eating meat to begin with. Since then I have come across a lot of more compelling reasons. Even doctors now say that most meat is bad for you. Then there is all the stuff they do to the animals - but I won't go into that. And a little known fact: I read that beef cattle consume something like 80% of the corn grown in this country. Is it me or does that seem a little wasteful? BeardofPants - I read somewhere that when they hatch chickens for laying, all the males are stuffed immediately in sacks where they suffocate or starve.
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02-15-2003, 08:03 PM | #514 |
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yea...cows also produce alot of methane..which is eating into our ozone layer..
OMG a gross fact...to keep the cheese on doritos, cheetos, and other cheese things, they use guano or guanolyte..which is bat poop!
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02-16-2003, 12:09 PM | #515 |
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that is digusting! i dont think i'll ever eat wotsits again.
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02-16-2003, 02:26 PM | #516 |
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mr grace told us alot of other things like that...like that honey is bee puke....
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delightful! *puts down honey and jam sandwich at the speed of light*
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