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03-29-2002, 06:42 PM
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It really comes down to this:
Men and women want to believe that they are higher, and better, and more intelligent than any other species. (How egocentric!). Religion feeds that belief, that humans are special, that humans are unique. Evolution suggests that humans are nothing more than an intelligent animal. Religion is threatened by that idea. Therein lies the problem.
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03-29-2002, 06:44 PM
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 So evolutionists and creationists don't have to be directly opposite viewpoints. It's so silly to say "I don't believe in evolution because I believe God made life" or vice versa. I get frustrated everytime i hear something like that. Evolutionists work on figuring out the system, and in large part, that particular branch of science doesn't really deal with how it was put in place, just how it works and how the way it works has resulted in the diversity that we see today. So how it was put in place is the realm of religion, (for now  anyways), which is pretty much something that can't be tested, so not within the scope of science. Having said that, there are some people are strict fundamentalists (yikes! fundamentalists scare me  ) who still believe that the world was made in 7 days and that's what everyone should believe just because they say so. Weird but true. To that I say, " Whatever makes you happy. but natural history may not be the field you want to get into. Pick something else as a career and let the people interested in this fascinating field get on with their work." Let's drop the evolution/creation debate, shall we? It's not even relevant and gets tiresome after a while. |
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03-29-2002, 06:48 PM
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I'm a strict fundamentalist. ]: )
I still believe in passive/micro/limited evolution. That is, organisims can change (like dogs have) but only to a certain point. I don't accept Abiogenesis, or anything that requires massive amounts of new genetic marterial. The latter includes one animal changing into another through. Sheesh... This post was very afro-elvish. ]: )
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03-29-2002, 06:51 PM
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03-29-2002, 06:54 PM
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The Insufferable
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Not entropy so much as massive amounts of time spent on the keyboard. ]; )
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03-29-2002, 07:08 PM
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 Try something safe and non-controversial...like...oh...umm...well...I can't think of anything non-controversial. Never mind.  Speciation is such a tricky area anyways. It's actually really hard to distinguish when something very similar, but not quite, is a different species. I think we are seeing more an more that these thing exist on a continuum. We have all sort of definitions so we can say THAT is a horse and it is NOT a dog, but when you get to closer relationships, it's hard to say "is this a new species of bacteria, or is it in that species, but a different strain? How to justify that it is a different strain. And then what happens over a long long time? Aiii...such a hard problem. The problem with restricting to "passive/micro/limited evolution", or any kind of "i believe in this, but limit at that." is that where to draw the line is a problem. (Not just you.  humans like to make borders in their minds. We all do.) But the more you study it, the harder it is to find where to draw the line. It's so annoying...not having distinct borders  It makes things Hard and Complicated and a Big Headache. Everything is fine until one sits down to draw that line.  I can't even remember where my line went. |
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03-29-2002, 09:19 PM
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 This effect is very noticable. Protestants had complete control here until the sixties (Kennedy was the first Catholic to be elected president). Ince that time the influx of immigrants since have mostly been from non-christian countries. The leaps in technology has threatens Theology. Because of this, the more radical sects have made numerous assaults on the Goverment's long standing policy of separation of church and state. their goals are to use the government to peddle their religion by trying to get devolution (creationism), posting the ten commandments, and commandeering tax money for "faith based initiatives". It's a billion dollar tax exempt industry. Most of their money goes to bigger building facilities and TV stations. The strict and dogmatic adherance to the literal interpretaion of bible has not overwhelmed other sects, however.
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03-29-2002, 09:22 PM
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EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE! *points gunstick thingy at Wayfarer* (Eliminates staff...)
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03-29-2002, 10:04 PM
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I had forgotten about the "Exterminate! quote. Good choice on targets! Then god said, "Exterminate the Insufferable". *still laughing*
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03-29-2002, 10:14 PM
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EXTERMINATE! ELIMINATE! ANNIHILATE!
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03-30-2002, 05:52 PM
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Hmm... I guess it would be easier to say anything that violates what I know about genetics. No complete makeovers of species, no traits arising from mutation, No hopleful monsters. Etc. So, if you can prove that something will work with what we know abou tgenetics, I'll buy it. But not before.Actually, back when I was young and naive I bought into that and didn't know where to stop. But it seems the more I learn the more clearly I can see that certain things just don't make sense. Ya know? Cirdan: You were assuming that christians believe something that they don't. Are you really surprised that I corrected you? ]: ) Quote:
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Some Christians may be against the seperation of church and state, but many of the current institutions are far more intent on squelching freedom of speech and religion-especially where christians are concerned. Or hadn't you noticed?
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"About one in 10 Australians of Anglo-Saxon background carry the genetic mutation, called the factor-V-Leiden (FVL) mutation. In addition to raising the risk of blood clots, it also increases the risk of second trimester miscarriage and premature birth. However, according to the new research, women with the FVL mutation also have a lining in their wombs that makes them twice as receptive to the implantation of a fertilised egg." Quote:
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03-30-2002, 07:44 PM
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But seriously, do you really deny that it is individual and group efforts to formalize and institutionalize prayer? No one has ever suggested that prayer should not be allowed. That would be unconstitiutional. When a teacher leads the class in a christian prayer, they violate then concept and the laws governing the separation issue. This goes back to the original point that the change in "religious demographics" means jews, muslims, hindus, and buddists would expect their religious views to be represented as well. Unmanagable and unnecessary. Religion is freely taught in private schools. Or hadn't you noticed?
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There exists a limit to the force even ther most powerful may apply without destroying themselves. Judging this limit is the true artistry of government. Misuse of power is the fatal sin. The law cannot be a tool of vengance, never a hostage, nor a fortification against the martyrs it has created. You cannot threaten any individual and escape the consequences. -Muad'dib on Law The Stilgar Commentary |
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03-30-2002, 07:55 PM
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Hey, what Science is taught in Private Christian schools? I'm just curious because it seems to me that most of the Christians in this discussion seem to be ignoring science and evolution and the evidence there of. All the Science Text books that I've ever had and seen teach Evolution, etc. Do Christians believe in the very plausible Big bang theory and other Universe theories? Anyways, if Private schools don't teach evolution, etc, then what do they teach in science??? Do they teach science?
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03-30-2002, 08:10 PM
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In the Jesuit university where I used to teach, no department dictates on other departments. There are debates similar to these in the faculty lounge between members of the theology department and the biology department as well as the physics department which I was part of.
The university's position to questions like these are not institutionalized except through the curriculum and through the theology department and those teaching there. I just remember that theology and philosophy had a sizeable chunk every academic year and the university had to organize these talks between the concerned departments to lighten the core curriculum to give way to major subjects for the science, engineering, and management courses. Boy did sparks fly. Heheh. It was decided, I think, that the concerned degree programs get some of their theo and philo subjects combined.
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