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This discussion, while excellent, seems more suited to the Theology thread.
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10-07-2008, 06:33 PM | #482 |
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So do I, Nurv. I suggested it way back in #476 !!!!
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10-07-2008, 06:49 PM | #483 |
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You didn't join our discussion over there though, Inked. I guess it probably wasn't that interesting though.
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So, how's the old "allowing homosexuals to marry will destroy the institution of marriage" thing going?
Not so well, apparently, if we look at Massachussetts: The predictions: Quote:
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stats: http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/20...blowchart.html Hey, look at all that red at the top and blue at the bottom of those charts.
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09-13-2009, 08:19 AM | #485 |
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One thing Ive often thought about when it comes homosexuals wanting to adopt children.
The fact that kids will always be kids - and bullying will not go away - is a matter for some concern, dont you think - most kids are born of heterosexual parents - and what's to stop some kids in a class from bullying other kids just because their parents are two men or two women? Kids bully other kids for a multitude of reasons and the fact that these kids' parents are both of the same sex might just trigger a flood of abuse. Or do you think that it will become so natural that kids will not reflect on it much less humilitate, hurt or insult another kid because of it. This is not meant as a prejudiced statement and i hope it is not taken as such. |
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The same preventive strategies that are applied to all sorts of bullying - teacher intervention, bystander training and whatnot.
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09-13-2009, 10:25 AM | #487 |
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So you think by t e l l i n g a kid that you are not s u p p o s e d act this way - that he or she will a c t u a l l y listen?
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09-13-2009, 11:36 AM | #488 |
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Schools are applying more elaborate anti-bullying recipes than that.
Trying to stop bullying by diligently eliminating any factors that a kid could be taunted for (like, having gay parents) is not the right way to go, imo.
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09-13-2009, 01:39 PM | #489 |
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ok - lets hope for the best then.
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09-13-2009, 01:53 PM | #491 |
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Except anarchy
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09-14-2009, 12:56 PM | #492 |
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Maybe not. But when church leaders and politicians and parents are saying bigoted hateful things about homosexuals as in Grey Mousers quotes above, then you can be sure their kids are going to be more likely to discriminate themselves against kids from gay marriage families, most likely by bullying, because theyve been taught that its not "normal" and therefore wrong. So if you want to limit the bullying we should probably start by not preaching hate...
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I hafta say, the way they're hammering the "US divorce rate in 1940!!!!" thing sounds like they're trying to indicate, not just a lack of significant change, but a major decrease in divorce rates, which isn't the case; we're talking going from 2.3 to 2.0 per thousand. Clearly, for whatever reason, Massachusetts simply has exceptionally low divorce rates. Apparently, in 1994, their divorce rates were at 2.4; it doesn't seem too much has changed.
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Yes, but not too much changing is also pretty good evidence that gay marriage doesn't destroy marriage, no?
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09-14-2009, 02:42 PM | #495 |
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Well - since we are discussing gay marriages - Im just wondering - this might seem imbecile to you - but I got to ask - Hetero people do not need a special festival to define themselves - why do gay people need it? - is gay people merely defined by the fact that they are gay? or should the definition be refined? What Im getting at is this - gay people is ordinary people with a particular sexual identity - but, really, is that all they are? Should a person be merely defined by his or hers sexual disposition? A gay postman, a gay bankclerk, a gay policeman, a gay librarian. What about just a postman, bankclerk, policeman or librarian?
I do realize that the whole thing about homosexuals is that they have forever, apparently, been confined to the so-called "closet" - but why should gay people be any different than other people? Is it because many gay men are very feminine - and in a predominatly masculine country like the USA - this is frowned upon. I sincerely hope that Im not stepping on too many toes because of these questions. Just want honest answers to honest questions. |
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In my opinion it's not much different from some other guys I know who are straight and like to spend all of their time talking about the last girl they had sex with. The main differentiation in acceptance is the fact that the majority of people in the world are heterosexual, and thus this behavior has been accepted and even condoned for far longer than it has been seen and condoned from homosexuals. You wont know some people are gay unless you get to know them very well because they are private people. I've met people I never suspected were gay till I happened to meet their boyfriend/girlfriend. Those are the people you wont see at the pride parades. Some of the men don't even own a pink shirt, which is only significant in that pink is considered a 'badge' color for homosexuality in men. Those are the people who are, like you said, just a postman, just a librarian, or just a policeman... and you'll never know they're gay just from meeting them for five minutes. I hope I have answered your question somewhat, but the truth is that... well, just like you said homosexuals are people too . It's impossible to throw out a blanket assumption and be correct... i.e. "Gay people have lisps!" or "gay people are all about having sex." That would be like saying that all straight guys like sports, which is not true. Last edited by Tessar : 09-14-2009 at 03:30 PM. |
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I felt like I needed to add on a little post-tag...
People who believe that things like pride parades and festivals (again, as they currently tend to be structured) are important for 'gaining acceptance and equal rights' are deluding themselves. As far as I'm aware black people did not gain acceptance and fight racism by prancing around in bikinis. There are, frankly, far more effective methods of fighting hate and bigotry . That's like saying that your neighbor hates dogs so you make sure your dog poops on their front doorstep every single morning. I mean with a plan like that how could your neighbor fail to come around and eventually love and accept dogs? |
09-14-2009, 03:52 PM | #498 |
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Thanks, Tessar, for your excellent answers on my many questions.
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er... you guys STILL discussing this?
How long has it been, now? |
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