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By the way - did you also hear about the US iniforms they found too? This was what was on Nightline tonight... Quote:
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03-27-2003, 01:18 AM | #462 |
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Funny thing with that is that we knew after Bush gave Saddam the ultimatum that they had purchased American military uniforms. No surprise there.
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03-27-2003, 01:32 AM | #463 | |
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I find it funny how - even though the US has repeatedly admitted bombing mistakes in the past - people around the world would rather believe Hussein that a US missile killed the civilians at the market today. The Frence reporter scoffed at the idea that we did not target that area and that it might have come from Husseins on weaponry. All the US said was we didn't know and we would have an investigation. Hussein is known for targeting his own citizens and has weaponry laid out all over residential areas - including schools and hospitals. Why isn't is possible that one of Husseins own weapons caused the damage? A Chinese reporter today asked a question regarding the downed Black Hawk helicopter which Iraq is claiming to have been shot down by a farmer. He took it as fact that Iraq was telling the truth because he saw an interview Al Jazeera did with Iraqi government officials.
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03-27-2003, 01:37 AM | #464 |
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It's also unbelievable that there are people who get mad at us for civilians dying whether it is 1 or 100, but it's ok for Saddam to have killed 1.5 MILLION innocent people in his reign.
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03-27-2003, 01:49 AM | #465 |
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Unbelievable, but not to worry. There is no doubt that the Iraqi's are fighting a lost battle. They are on their way from what I hear to meet US forces. This war may take a while, but in the end, they can't , and won't win it. So foolish to fight for a lost cause. Such a waste to be so desperate, and sacrifice so much life for all the wrong reasons.
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03-27-2003, 09:21 AM | #468 |
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Most of the world is uncomfortable with the exercise of raw American power, no matter how sympathetic they are to America's ideals and people. There are also plenty of people who oppose the ideals of the U.S, so why would they wish it well?
As for fighting for Saddam-it's likely a combination of nationalism, pride, fear and ignorance of why the Americans are here. Which predominates depends, I suppose, on the hatered of Saddam.
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03-27-2003, 09:28 AM | #469 |
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Accidents happen. I remember in the '91 Gulf War when a Paveway LGB went haywire on release, missed the basket and veered several hundred metres away from the bridge it was being dropped on and into a civilian target (again a market, as I recall). Similarly the Iraqis are firing SAMs and one of those could just as easily have malfunctioned. Having been very careful for almost a week I see no reason to suddenly blame the Allies for targetting civilians.
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03-27-2003, 11:21 AM | #470 |
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One thing that everyone should be grateful for is that the Pentagon prevailed over the civilians like Sec. of Defense Rumfeld, Dep. Sec Wolfowitz and Richard Perle who were advocating invasion-lite.
These were the guys that were saying that Iraq would be Afghanistan Redux- all it would take was a quick bombing campaign and a (comparatively) few light U.S. troops, and the Iraqi opposition would rise up and overthrow Hussein. They were constantly ridiculing those old-fashioned fuddy-duddies in the Army who insisted on fighting 'Daddy's' war. If the neo-cons had had their way, the invasion force would have been 50-70,000 Light Infantry, Airborne and Special Forces- no heavy armour. (Currently 280,000 , with 30,000 more in the pipeline and complaints of not enough tanks and heavy equipment.) These guys were also spreading talk about finishing off Iraq and then shifting forces in the summer to the North Pacific to take out North Korea- reports that some in the White House were calling Pyongyang a "paper tiger"- Sheeesh!
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03-27-2003, 11:26 AM | #471 |
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And could you guys please get over this thing with France, or at least spread it around a little? The majority of EVERY country in the world except the U.S. and Israel was opposed to this war.
I mean, even Bush threatened Canada, Mexico, Chile, Germany and Turkey as well.
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Also there is a difference between France and the other ocuntries. France initially had TOLD Colin Powell that if the first resolution went forward through the UN that France would abide by it's terms. That they would NOT try to drag inspections on forever while Hussein complied peacemeal. France then went out of it's way to stonewall us every chance they got. It wasn't as if they were just against the war - they were telling other countries who supported us to "shut up or risk EU membership". France's attitude was VERY different from other countries.
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That's undoubtedly true, but you have to accept that what Draken says is also true.
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A bit off topic here.
BUt i'd like to tell bout this incident ne way. A good friend of my father, a persor in an Air India flight, was on the evacuation flight, to get all the Indians livin in Kuwait back home. They passed over Basra at low altitude, and they cud see all the firing n all. the bombs bursting away, the shelling, the report opf the guns n stuff. so it made me wonder for the first time what it wud be like for the ppl involved in war, purticularly the Iraqis. I mean, they have had a torrid time under hussein's rule, and now this war. evrytime u switch on ure TV this war thing is on, and showing the ppl there running and packin away from their houses on foot. life must be hell-like ofr them, is all i am saying. So I come to my question finally. Do you think a better future lies ahead for them? is their ne hope for the iraqi ppl? DOnt you think WAr is just too hard for them to bear after all this? DOes the world not realize that they too need be helped, and that all this is beyond war, and terrorism, but more about peace, tranquility and the need of a helpin hand to those torchured millions?
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While Hussein lives and carries on his regime - there could never be peace for the Iraqi people. Chances are - Udai would be the next ruler of Iraq if Hussein was to die and their was no forced regime change from the outside. Udai is a thousand times worse. Don't know if you heard how he invited to two French college students to a hotel in Baghdad. When they got there - he forced them to have sex with each other at gun point - while he watched and video taped it.
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